Abdulraheem
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Hi, guys —
Numbers 23:19 states:
God is not man, that he should lie, or a son of man, that
he should change his mind.
- As he said . . . will he not do, it?, or
- As he spoke this . . . will he not fulfill it?
Luke 3:38 basically says Adam is the son of
God. Remember, there are no capital letters in the semitic
languages.
- So how is this different to when the Bible talks about
Jesus?
Please give me your insight and interpretation of these
two verses.
Abdulraheem
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Where in the Bible is there overwhelming evidence that Jesus is the Son of God by nature? }
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Eric replied:
Abdulraheem,
son of God can mean several things in the Bible.
As you've
seen, it's used to designate Adam and Christ. It's also used to designate
some mysterious characters in Genesis 6:2, and is also used to designate
believers in Romans 8:14, Hosea 1:10, Psalm 82:6, and elsewhere.
In the case of Adam, it simply means that God directly created him and played the
role of what we would call father to Adam.
In the case of Christ, it
means that God the Father begat him before all ages (i.e. outside of time)
within the economy of the Most Blessed Trinity. He is, in other words,
the Son's originating principle, although the Son is not created.
In the
case of Genesis 6:2, two explanations have been adduced:
- That these are
angels (some other references in the Scriptures suggest this), and
- that
they are the godly sons of Shem.
In Romans 8:14, baptism is seen as a rebirth
(see John 3:5) on a spiritual level and those reborn are reborn as sons
of God (in an adopted sense). Theologically speaking, we are by grace what
Jesus is by nature.
- As for your first point in Numbers 23:19, I'm not sure what your question is;
can you elaborate?
Eric
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John replied:
Hi Abdulraheem,
When reading Scripture we have to be careful in understanding idioms.
In the case of Numbers 23:19, the point here is that God is not a
fallen man, with a corrupt and fallen human nature, and therefore does
not and cannot lie.
The inspired author is simply drawing an analogy to emphasize the reliability
of God's Word, pronouncements, commandments, and so forth. God is trust
worthy. That is what the inspired author is saying.
The evidence of the Trinity is found in the very first chapters of Sacred
Scripture. In the Beginning God (Elohim) created.
The Hebrew word Elohim is plural. Later, in the same chapter,
God says, "Let us make man in our image." (Genesis 1:26) Again,
plural pronouns are used to describe a singular God.
John Chapter 1 says:
"In the beginning was the Word and the Word
was with God and the Word was God
... and the Word became flesh and dwelt among us
. . . to those who believe He gave the power to become sons of God."
John 3:16 says:
For God so loved the World that He gave His
Only Begotten Son . . .
1 Timothy 3:16 says:
Without controversy, great is the mystery of Godliness,
God was manifested in the flesh, vindicated in the spirit, seen by angels,
proclaimed to the Gentiles, believed in throughout the world, taken up
in glory.
1 John 4:1-4 says:
Beloved, do not trust every spirit but test the spirits to see whether
they belong to God, because many false prophets have gone out into the
world. This is how you can know the Spirit of God: every spirit that
acknowledges Jesus Christ come in the flesh belongs to God, and every
spirit that does not acknowledge Jesus does not belong to God. This is
the spirit of the antichrist that, as you heard, is to come, but in fact
is already in the world.
Hence, anyone who denies that God was manifested in the flesh, be it
Arius, Mohammed, or modern biblical scholars is preaching heresy!
St. Paul makes it abundantly clear in Galatians 1:3-8:
"grace to you and peace from God our Father and the Lord Jesus
Christ, who gave himself for our sins that he might rescue us from the
present evil age in accord with the will of our God and Father, to whom
be glory forever and ever. Amen.
I am amazed that you are so quickly
forsaking the one who called you by (the) grace (of Christ) for a different
gospel (not that there is another). But there are some who are disturbing
you and wish to pervert the gospel of Christ. But even if we or an angel
from heaven should preach (to you) a gospel other than the one that we
preached to you, let that one be accursed!"
And again in 2 Corinthians 11:13-15
"For such people are false apostles, deceitful workers, who masquerade
as apostles of Christ. And no wonder, for even Satan masquerades as an
angel of light. So it is not strange that his ministers also masquerade
as ministers of righteousness. Their end will correspond to their deeds."
Under His Mercy,
John DiMascio
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Abdulraheem replied:
Eric wrote:
Theologically speaking, we are by grace what
Jesus is by nature.
- As for your first point in Numbers 23:19, I'm not sure what your question is;
can you elaborate?
I guess what I am asking you is:
- Where in the Bible is there over whelming
evidence that Jesus is the son of God or Almighty God by nature?
- Luke 3:38 basically says Adam is the son of God. Remember, there are no capital
letters in the Semitic languages, so how is this different to when the Bible
talks about Jesus?
Abdulraheem
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Eric
replied:
Abdulraheem,
This is something that, while solidly taught in the Scriptures, is taught
in a more subtle fashion that is easy to miss on first glance.
The first place to go is John 1:1-3 where it says,
"In the beginning
was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was
in the beginning with God; all things were made through him, and without
him was not anything made that was made."
The Word here is
Christ as subsequent verses attest. So Christ is God.
In John 8:58 Jesus told the Pharisees, "before Abraham was born, I AM!"
Here they sought to stone him because he committed blasphemy.
What he was using was language from Exodus 3:14 when God reveals his
name to Moses:
"This is what you are to say to the Israelites: 'I AM has
sent me to you.' "
So that is why they tried to stone him.
In John 20:28, Thomas said to Jesus when he finally believe in the Resurrection,
"My
Lord and my God!"
So Thomas recognized him as God.
Another example is in Ezekiel 34:11-22 where God says he himself will
be shepherd of Israel, which calls to mind John 10:14, where Jesus claims
to be the good shepherd. Thus, Jesus is claiming to be God, fulfilling
the prophecy of Ezekiel.
Then there is Philippians 2:6-7. Translations vary, but here are a few:
Who, being in the form of God, did not consider it robbery to be equal with God, but made Himself of no reputation, taking the form of a bondservant, and coming in the likeness of men: (Philippians 2:6-7 - NKJV)
Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with
God: But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of
a servant, and was made in the likeness of men: (Philippians 2:6-7 - KJV)
Who, being in very nature God, did not consider equality with God something
to be grasped, but made himself nothing, taking the very nature of a
servant, being made in human likeness. (Philippians 2:6-7 - NIV)
Who, although He existed in the form of God, did not regard equality
with God a thing to be grasped, but emptied Himself, taking the form
of a bond-servant, and being made in the likeness of men. (Philippians 2:6-7 - NASB)
The theme here is that Christ was God by nature, but did not cling to
the trappings of Godhood, so to speak, but emptied himself of his privileges
in order to be born as man.
Eric
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