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The Dialogue: Who is really Pro-Choice?
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The Dialogue: Who is really Pro-Choice?

The following is a fictional conversation I overheard between two teenagers Peter Pro-Life and Paula Pro-Choice. I'm using it as a platform to express some Pro-Life views I have.

Peter Pro-Life:

Hi, Paula, how are things going with you?

Paula Pro-Choice:

Hi, Peter, fine I guess.

Peter Pro-Life:

Do you have a few seconds to explain to me the reasoning behind the American woman's "pro-choice" position?

Paula Pro-Choice:

Sure. As women we want and demand our reproductive freedoms. We believe women are equal to men in all things in our great country. We believe that since freedom is the cornerstone of our democratic republic, women should be just as free as men in all things, including our own reproductive choices; they are our bodies.

Peter Pro-Life:

Hmmm. Interesting position. Do I or the women you are speaking for have the freedom in America to go out, buy a gun and kill any one they wish to?

Paula Pro-Choice:

Of course not, you idiot! You'd be put in jail and sentenced to life with no parole.

Peter Pro-Life:

So my freedom and the freedom of American women have limitations on them; or, as you are implying, there would be chaos and complete disorder in our country with people shooting at other people.

Paula Pro-Choice:

I'm confused. All we want is our freedoms.

Peter Pro-Life:

There is a difference between freedom and license.

  • Freedom is the free will to do what we should do.
  • License is the formal permission to do something by a constituted authority for the common good of our country.

Paula Pro-Choice:

You are getting off the topic, Peter!

They’re our bodies and we have the right to do what ever we want with our own bodies!

Peter Pro-Life:

Who gave you that looney idea!!!

Paula Pro-Choice:

What are you talking about? Isn't that obvious?

Peter Pro-Life:

OK, if it is your body, please walk through this brick wall.

Paula Pro-Choice:

Are you crazy, I can't do that!

Peter Pro-Life:

OK, if it is your body, please jump out of a flying airplane in mid air and land on your feet alive.

Paula Pro-Choice:

Are you crazy, I'd be killed!

Peter Pro-Life:

OK, if it is your body, please walk toward the ocean and keep on walking until you are 1,000 feet below sea level.

Paula Pro-Choice:

Are you crazy, I would drown!

Peter Pro-Life:

But if your body is yours, why can't you do these things?

The reason why is because IT IS NOT YOUR BODY, just as my body IS NOT MY BODY.

Paula Pro-Choice:

Please Peter, you are not going to start talking about God again, are you?

Peter Pro-Life:

Up until now, Paula, I haven't mentioned God. Why have YOU brought God into this discussion? Do you and the American women you represent believe that the limitations of your body I have mentioned can be explained by God?

Paula Pro-Choice:

I hate talking about God because I feel so guilty every time the subject comes up. Can we get back to the issue?

Peter Pro-Life:

Sure! Where do you want to pick up?

Paula Pro-Choice:

The women of America believe such a private and personal decision like having an abortion should be make solely between the woman and her doctor.

Peter Pro-Life:

Which woman?

Paula Pro-Choice:

The women carried the baby you idiot! Who else?

Peter Pro-Life:

If the baby in the mother's womb is a young woman, do you believe one woman, the mother, has a right to kill another woman, the baby?

What doctor, who has taken the Hippocratic Oath to do no harm to anyone, would support a decision to kill a baby woman in a mother's womb?

Do the women's organizations you are involved in support the killing of a baby woman by a mother?

If so, how are they pro-woman OR do they want to test to see if it is a baby woman first? Where are your ethics Paula?

Paula Pro-Choice:

You're confusing me again, the point the women of America are trying to make is that in the same way men control their bodies, women have the right to govern their bodies when it comes to choice.

Peter Pro-Life:

Which body Paula?

    • the mother carrying the newborn baby in her womb, or
    • the newborn baby inside the mother's womb?

    If you are against women killing any person, baby boy or baby girl, you wouldn't be pro-choice.
    Pro-choice in our society is ANTI-CHOICE.

Paula Pro-Choice:

Peter, you being a MAN, you obviously don't know anything about women and having babies. What you are calling a baby, is not a baby yet.

Peter Pro-Life:

Where did you get that crazy information, Paula, from a Planned Parenthood web site?

Medically, that's not what the American Medical Association states and that organization is made up of BOTH men and women doctors.

Legally, that's not what the law has reflected in previous years where men who have shot pregnant women have been tried on TWO counts of murder.

I don't have to be a woman to understand Human Biology 101.

You and the women who think along your same line are ANTI-CHOICE. You don't want the newborn baby in a mother's womb to make choices, you want to kill the baby for temporal worldly conveniences.

I've heard sad stories of woman who wish to carry their baby to term but their parents and family members pressure them to have an abortion against their wishes. If you know of women in these situation have them contact me. I can help them.

The Pro-Life people are the REAL PRO-CHOICE people.

We are BOTH Pro-Life AND Pro-Choice.

We want the newborn baby and the mother to LIVE and make CHOICES. Why? Because the natural choice is LIFE, not DEATH, which is the result of an abortion / baby killing.

As my sister-in-law has told me: "Peace begins in the womb" and she is right!

Paula Pro-Choice:

Where in the world did you get this later idea from?

If you ask anyone today whether women like me hold a pro-choice viewpoint or an anti-choice view, they will always say I'm pro-choice and you're anti-choice!

I am Pro-Choice and proud to be Pro-Choice!

Peter Pro-Life:

You and the rest of American women have bought into the phony verbal re-engineering of a Planned Parenthood chosen set of words in our culture over the past 50 or more years. This was initiated by TV and Radio media executives both on a local and national level, many whom are either associated with Planned Parenthood or sympathized with this and similar Pro baby-killing organizations. These same people sympathize with the homosexual lobby which pays them big bucks to promote a perverted behavior among people of the same sex.

Paula Pro-Choice:

OK, Mister Smarty Pants, how are these sets of words re-defined?

Peter Pro-Life:

Planned Parenthood has re-framed the pro-life/pro-death argument to one based on CHOICE. Why? Because everyone wants choice. It's a God-given gift.

Using their re-engineered vocabulary:

Someone who holds on to a Pro-Life view has to always be called Anti-Choice. Their views are NEVER to be called Pro-Life.

Someone who holds on to a Pro-Abortion/Pro baby-killing view has to always be called Pro-Choice. Their views are NEVER Anti-Choice, though that is what they are: Anti-Choice.

The pro abortion organizations are using what God has given all mankind by nature: free will, to destroy the definition of free will itself.

In their vocabulary, choice equals death, e.g. Pro-Choice is Pro-Death (of a live baby).

I believe graduates of colleges and universities that have received degrees in Mass Communication and Broadcast Media have been indoctrinated by godless teachers with these type of "Planned Parenthood" ideas. The college and/or university presidents stand by cowardly because they fear getting sued by the ACLU, the most dangerous organization in America today.

Paula Pro-Choice:

Hmmm. Let me think about what you have said. I do know some lady friends of mine that agree with some of what you have said.

Peter Pro-Life:

In what way?

Paula Pro-Choice:

They are personally opposed to abortion, but don't believe they don't have the right to impose their personal view on their friend's lifestyle.

Peter Pro-Life:

With friends like that, who needs enemies? Any abortion, Paula, is a baby killing. It not only destroys a human life, but greatly affects forever the life of the woman who has had an abortion.

I'm not recommending that young pro-life women be judgmental toward their friends in difficult situations, but rather compassionate, understanding and helpful.

If a young pro-life woman knows of a friend who is thinking about an abortion, she should encourage her NOT to have one. A newborn baby is a gift from God himself and has a specific purpose in life.

If a pregnant woman can not find anyone to help her care for the baby, she should go to the local Catholic diocese where she lives. They will be happy to help her in ANY difficult situation she is in, whether she is a Catholic or not.

If a pregnant woman doesn't feel feel capable of raising an unplanned child there are numerous families who are more the eager to adopt a child. In many, if not in all, cases a strong relationship develops between the family that adopts the newborn child and the mother of the newborn child.

Paula Pro-Choice:

All right Peter, that's good information to know, but one point we can surely agree on are young women who are victims of rape or incest. Surely you wouldn't be against abortions for young women who have gone through such a terrible experience.

Peter Pro-Life:

OK, Paula. Let me see if I understand the "Pro-Choice" logic correctly:

Because a young woman has had a terrible experience of being raped or is a victim of incest, you want to submit her to ANOTHER terrible experience of having a new life in her womb killed, right?

Just because the father commits a criminal act, does this mean the innocent unborn child deserves the death penalty for this act?

Paula Pro-Choice:

Peter, you are not listening. The mother of a rape has NO FATHER, she has no money, she has no support, she has no hope, no one to look over and take care of her and her newborn child!

Peter Pro-Life:

This is the argument from Planned Parenthood. It is a message of despair.

The Pro-Life message is one of hope, Paula! Life is still life. There are many families that would be more than willing to care and assist such a young lady in this given situation, even in liberal cities like Boston, Massachusetts! Yes, there are conservatives in Massachusetts, believe it or not!

Also there have been studies done on women who are victims of rape and incest. These studies show that most, if not all the time, women who have opted NOT to have an abortion will, with time, get over the traumatic experience of the rape or incest and bond with their child. This is in contrast to those who have chosen to have an abortion after a rape or unwanted incest encounter and never get over the terrible abortion procedure done to them.

Paula Pro-Choice:

What about women who have had abortions? Why has the Pro-Life side been so harsh on these people who have found themselves in very difficult situations?

Peter Pro-Life:

It is my personal opinion that at the beginning we did have problems meeting the pastoral needs of women who have had abortions, but that has changed dramatically.

I can only speak for the Catholic Church which has established a Project Rachel ministry outreach in each diocese to assist and aid women who, for whatever reason, choose to have an abortion but now regret it and wish to be reconciled with the Church and Our Lord Jesus Himself. E-mail Mike Humphrey; he will put you in contact with the correct people.

There are also other numerous Pro-Life organizations to assist and aid pregnant women who don't feel capable of raising an unplanned child.

Paula Pro-Choice:

How do I find these numerous ministries ?

Peter Pro-Life:

The best site for information on the aftermath of abortion is afterabortion.org

Here are some pre-Abortion web sites:

Here are some post-Abortion web sites:

Do you mind if I follow-up on one of your initial statements?

Paula Pro-Choice:

Sure, go ahead.

Peter Pro-Life:

You said:

As women we want and demand our reproductive freedoms. [ ...] , women should be just as free as men in all things, including our own reproductive choices; they are our bodies.

Can a woman become pregnant without having sexual relations with a man?

Paula Pro-Choice:

Peter, Have you been drinking? Of course NOT!

Peter Pro-Life:

Then if American women CHOOSE to have sexual relations with a man, why does the woman ALONE determine the consequences of a MUTUAL CHOICE made between BOTH a man and woman to have sexual relations?

What "say" does the man have in what YOU call YOUR reproductive choice?
What "say" does the man have if HE WANTS to support and take care of HIS newborn child?

Who is protecting HIS reproductive choice? Certainly not YOUR American women!

Paula Pro-Choice:

But it's their bodies, Peter!!!

Peter Pro-Life:

So instead of mutual responsibility between the sexually active man and woman, the philosophy of your American women is a juvenile statement along the lines of:

Possession is 100% of the law.

That is sad, Paula, and manifests shallow, irresponsible maturity.

If you care for the rights of American women, why don't you care equally for the rights of American men or are you a FEMALE chauvinist?

Paula Pro-Choice:

Sorry, Peter, my cell phone is ringing and I have to go.

Peter Pro-Life:

Don't forget to vote November 7th!

Paula Pro-Choice:

I won't. How will you be voting?

Peter Pro-Life:

Well, despite the many sins and shortcomings of the party, there is only one party whose platform is:

  • BOTH PRO-LIFE and PRO-TRADITIONAL MARRIAGE,
  • is striving to put Supreme Court Justices on the Court who are not political ideologues but will interpret the constitution strictly AND
  • appear to be protecting our country from planes flying into our buildings since 9/11.

The Republican party.

If I thought the Democratic party as a whole was striving to promote Christian values, I would vote for them, but I don't see it.

It appears they see abortion and gay marriage as family values. I certainly don't!

Two men NOR two women can bring forth new life. New life within the family is the reason why for centuries, our government, founded on Judeo-Christian values, has given the family special prerogatives.

Take care and talk to you later!


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