Dear Anonymous,
Thanks for the very good question.
I believe the root of the problem,
on both sides, is based on:
- Catholic and Protestant ignorance
and
- a lack of personal maturity.
What do I mean? When I start faith-sharing
with someone, I really have no idea:
- What is in that person's heart.
- Whether (he or she) really wants to
faith-share or is just striving
to
re-affirm (he or she) own belief
system.
- What that person's "faith
journey" is? (see below)
My definition of Faith journey
includes:
- What faith was that person
born into, by God's choosing.
- What has (he or she) done with
that faith?
- Did (he or she) leave that
faith for another, and why?
- Was (he or she) brought up
in a "faith-filled" family,
or not?
Here is an example of my
faith journey. (Coming Soon.)
. . . . and the most important thing:
- What is important to that faith-sharer?
- What is personally close to
that faith-sharer's heart?
Let's be honest:
Your side:
Any true Protestant denomination
has a set of beliefs.
You strive to stay close to that
set of beliefs because you believe
them to be true.
My side:
Any true practicing Catholic Christian
believes and acts according to
the beliefs of the Church. I strive
to be a practicing Catholic apologist
for the Church because I believe
it to be true.
All faith-sharing discussions
are semi-ventures because "true" faith
sharers are not interested in
hurting other people but in sharing
different beliefs while
still being friends.
By:
(agreeing to agree and agreeing
to disagree)
Being able to disagree while still
being friends is one of the key
elements of any friendship. If
I agreed with everything you believed,
I wouldn't be Mike Humphrey, I'd
be YOU! Being able to maintain
our friendship, despite our disagreements,
is the basis of our friendship.
We are not each other's enemies.
The true problem is ignorance
and a lack of patience and maturity
on both sides.
Confession time for me:
- Yes, I may be impatient at times.
- Yes, I may say something, in
an e-mail, that is immature or
overly subjective.
- Yes, I may say something in
an e-mail that was not what the
Church taught. (my ignorance)
Because I'm human and open to
sin and need the grace of Jesus to
sustain me, re-justify me or reconcile
me with Him through the sacrament
of Reconciliation.
Important point: Not
all people can faith-share in a mature
way, but this does not bar everyone's
responsibility for responding to
Our Lord's call to evangelize all
mankind. Ultimately,
it comes down to finding a faith-sharer
with whom you can fruitfully correspond
with.
Check out my piece here:
If you knew nothing about the Catholic
faith and you told me this in a faith
sharing environment:
"I think the Pope is Satan
and nothing but evil has come
out of any Pope including Pope
John Paul II."
Ten years ago I would have been emotionally
offended:
- How dare you say that about
our Holy Father!!, or
- How dare you say that about Our
Blessed Mother!!
- Why?
Because you have unknowingly attacked
something that is near and dear to
me, Mike Humphrey, as a person. If
I knew nothing about your denomination
of Christianity and I said to you
in a faith sharing environment:
"I think nothing but 100%
evil has come from both Martin
Luther and John Calvin."
But I didn't know you had attended: — school
names made up by me.
- The Martin Luther School for
Biblical Studies and
- then received your Masters in
Biblical Studies from the John
Calvin School for Advanced Biblical
Studies.
I wouldn't think you'd be too happy
:))
The point: People
can unknowingly hurt other people
by what they say or do. This is part
of the risk of striving to build
good faith-sharing relationships.
These things go to the root of the "increasing
amount of hostility", as you
put it.
You said:
We've been willing
to discuss the issues but we keep
getting personal insults.
You must be saying something that
is attacking something that is very
near and dear to the person or dealing
with a Catholic who has a poor prayer
life or poor approach to evangelizing the Catholic Christian faith..
- How can I make this last judgment?
Because a solid prayer life, over
time, will increase the virtues of
any man or woman; this includes their
maturity level.
e.g. Speaking as a cradle-Catholic,
practicing Catholics love our spiritual
family.
- Jesus is close to our hearts.
- Jesus' Blessed Mother Mary is
close to our hearts.
- Jesus' foster father, St. Joseph
is close to our hearts.
- Our living brothers and all
the Saints in Heaven are close
to our hearts.
- The man we believe Jesus left
in charge of His Church, the Holy
Father, is close to our hearts.
This may be a little unusual to
you, but remember, in your theological
belief system, it is, generally a "me
and Jesus" theology.
In Catholic Theology it is a "me and Jesus" theology and a Family Affair.
In my faith-sharing conversations,
on an array of doctrinal disagreements,
95% of the time, the Catholic answer
is an (and-both) answer
not an (either-or) answer.
You can probably get your Catholic
faith sharer to agree with what you
believe but they will insist you
accept an additional teaching along
with the one you believe.
Last note:
You said:
Anytime we say
anything to these people, we get
pounded, ignored, and then they say, that we gave no answer.
I know this may be referring to me
so let me explain:
Sometimes, when I have
given an intellectually logical
and honest argument on one issue,
I occasionally find the subject
of following replies I receive
changes and I get the impression
that my reply on the last issue
we discussed was not answered.
I then wonder whether or not I'm
wasting my time with a faith-sharer
who is using a "got you!" approach
to faith-sharing OR one that wishes
to discuss the issues, on a issue
by issue basis.
- See where I am coming from?
What I recommend to both the Catholic
and Protestant faith-sharers is if
you are discussing,
let's say, the Immaculate Conception,
and one side makes a good point that
you can't reply to —
- Don't get defensive.
- Just say,
"I hadn't thought of
that point, let me pray over it
and talk to my friends about it:
Can we now talk about Eternal
Security?"
This way, whether you are a Catholic
or Protestant, you are acknowledging
a good point you wish to pray over
and now wish to change doctrinal
topics.
Remember, the enemy is not a person,
the enemy is ignorance and pride,
on both sides.
Thanks for the question,
Mike Humphrey
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