Sarah Fetterolf
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Good Evening,
I have a question regarding the Pope.
I do not mean to offend. My ignorance needs to be directed.
- I am curious how the position came to be.
- I am curious on what biblical foundation he is appointed.
I accepted Jesus Christ as my Savior four months ago. I am
currently taking classes at my local Lutheran church,
and on-line at (BBNBI) Bible Broadcasting Network Bible Institute.
In my studies of the Old and New Testaments
I have gleaned an in depth knowledge in the Scriptures I never
gained simply from attending church.
- Where in the Bible did the Pope's position originate?
Having been raised in a Lutheran church, we did not recognize
the Pope as you do.
- Now that I have grown in a non-denominational
capacity, I am curious how the Pope came to be recognized as
the spokesperson for God?
I cannot find in the Scriptures any mention of a Pope being
the connection to God.
I truly do not mean to offend. I do know the position is
highly revered in Catholicism.
Having no background in your denomination, and no Biblical
scripture to coincide with such a position, I seek answers
as to why so many denominations have broken from the Word.
I am full of many questions as any true believer seeking the
truth might be!
I await your response with an open mind seeking a greater
relationship with our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ!
Thank you for your time,
God Bless you for your patience,
Sarah
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Mike replied:
Hi Sarah,
Thanks for the question!
First, Congratulations on accepting Jesus Christ as your Savior and welcome
to the Christian family!
You said:
- How and where in the Bible did the Pope position originate?
Matthew 16:13-19 reads: (Note: MY CHURCH in the text to follow)
When Jesus went into the region of Caesarea Philippi he asked his disciples, "Who
do people say that the Son of Man is?" They replied, "Some say
John the Baptist, others Elijah, still others Jeremiah or one of the prophets." He
said to them, "But who do you say that I am?" Simon Peter said
in reply,
"You are the Messiah, the Son of the living God."
Jesus
said to him in reply,
"Blessed are you, Simon son of Jonah. For flesh
and blood has not revealed this to you, but my heavenly Father. And
so I say to you, you are Peter, and upon this rock I will build MY
CHURCH, and the gates of the netherworld shall not prevail against
it. I will give you the keys to the kingdom of heaven. Whatever you
bind on earth shall be bound in heaven; and whatever you loose on earth
shall be loosed in heaven."
This was foretold in the Old Testament in Isaiah 22:19-25 which says:
I will thrust you from your office and pull you down
from your station. On that day I will summon my servant
Eliakim, son of Hilkiah;
I will clothe him with your robe, and gird him with
your sash, and give over to him your authority. He
shall be a father to the inhabitants of Jerusalem,
and to the house of Judah. I will place the key of
the House of David on his shoulder; when he opens,
no one shall shut, when he shuts, no one shall open.
I will fix him like a peg in a sure spot, to be a place
of honor for his family; On him shall hang all the
glory of his family: descendants and offspring, all
the little dishes, from bowls to jugs.
On that day, says
the LORD of hosts, the peg fixed in a sure spot shall give way, break
off and fall, and the weight that hung on it shall be done away with;
for the LORD has spoken. (Isaiah 22)
One of my colleagues, Eric has previously quoted Matthew 23:2-3:
"The teachers of the law and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat. So
you must obey them and do everything they tell you. But do not do what
they do, for they do not practice what they preach." (Matthew 23:2-3)
and commented:
I like this verse for a couple of reasons. One is because Jesus is binding
his followers to an unwritten Jewish tradition, that is, that there was
a seat of Moses that made final decisions about matters of doctrine, an
office handed down from Moses' time. So Jesus accepted some Jewish traditions
and did not reject all of them. The other reason I like it is that while
Jesus acknowledges the Scribes and the Pharisees are corrupt, he nevertheless
commands his disciples to obey them. So this whole Reformation argument
of "Well, the Catholic bishops are corrupt, so that justifies our
disobedience" doesn't wash. Then in Acts 8:31 we have the Ethiopian
eunuch, who ably points out that we cannot understand the Scriptures without
someone to interpret them for us. They cannot stand alone; we must rely
on Tradition to interpret them. Even Protestants do this; they just won't
admit it.
The key to what Eric has said Sarah, it to remember that the Scriptures
themselves teach BOTH a written AND oral Tradition. See 2 Thessalonians
2:15.
You said:
I cannot find in the Scriptures any mention of a "Pope" being the "connection" to
God.
You won't. Neither will you find the word: Trinity or Bible, but all Christians
believe in both the Trinity and the Bible. "Pope" comes from a word meaning
"papa" or "father". This is VERY biblical as we can see in Ephesians 3:14-15:
14 For this reason I kneel before the Father, from whom all [ fatherhood
| paternity ] in heaven and on earth derives its name.
Ephesians 3:14-15 [NIV | Douay Rheims]
You said:
I seek answers as to why so many denominations have broken from the Word...
?
In my opinion: Two words: sin and pride but we have to also clarify
what we mean when we say the Word of God.
For Catholics it consists of both Oral and Written Tradition which has
been passed down to us from Jesus and His Apostles since 33 A.D.
For our separated Protestant brethren it consist only of the Scriptures.
Many, if not all, of the disagreements you will run into among Catholics
and Protestants will revolve around a difference in mind set:
- Catholics think with an and — both mind set.
- Protestants think with an either — or mind set.
Many times, Catholics will accept the Protestant opinion on a doctrine
issue, but with some modification while also insisting that an addition
view be accepted in order to arrive at the Truth — Catholic Truth.
If you are interested in understanding what Catholics believe, grab a cheap copy of the Catechism of the Catholic Church for on Amazon!
Hope this helps,
Mike
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Richard replied:
Hi, Sarah!
Let me take a moment to offer you a starting point for your search of
the Scriptures.
The Catholic Church's practice — that the Church is governed by bishops,
with the Pope as their leader -- is intended to reflect the early-church
practice of a community, in various territories, led by the Apostles, with
St. Peter as their leader.
So rather than looking for the word pope — which is indeed
a title that arose later — look for the types of authority given to the
Apostles:
- to teach
- to govern the Church community
- to baptize and to carry
out
the Lord's Supper as He commanded
- even to forgive sins in his name!
Also, in the Acts of the Apostles, notice that Peter is treated a bit
differently: he is mentioned first before the other Apostles, and they
defer to him at the Council of Jerusalem (Acts 15) to settle a dispute.
This is in accord with the mission our Lord gave to Peter, to "strengthen
your brethren", to be the leader among the Apostles.
God bless!
--Richard Chonak
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Terry replied:
HI Sarah,
Such questions as these on the Papacy are very adequately explained in
Rumble and Carty - Radio Replies - Questions and Answers on Catholicism
and Protestantism.
To me, this book is as useful in basic apologetics as the Penny Catechism
was in 1950's and 1960's, and previously, in basic beliefs.
With best regards,
Terry
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Mike replied:
Thanks Terry,
I've appended related questions and answers from Radio Replies below. Although
Sarah didn't specifically ask these questions, they are probably the type
of questions many of our readers get.
There maybe a few instances where I've paraphrased
portions of a statement for clarity.
If these question and answers are helpful, I highly recommend you obtain
a copy of Radio Replies, a great resources for the want-to-be Catholic
Apologists.
For those of you unfamiliar with Radio Replies, they
are the result of five years of answering questions during
a one-hour Question Box Program over Radio Station 2SM
Sydney, N.S.W. in Australia.
The revision
of Radio Replies for American readers was prompted by the widespread interest
the Australian edition created among Protestants and Catholics during the
summer of 1937.
Thanks for the idea!
Mike
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From Radio Replies
(Volume
1, Question 348)
Objection: Scripture does not mention a Pope.
Do not be misled by mere
words. Later designations of an office do not alter
the office, and the office of the one whom we now call
the Pope is clearly taught by Scripture. After all,
the word Pope simply means father, or one with paternal
authority over a household. And certainly, Scripture
often likens the Church to the "Household of the
Faith," and
indicates one as being in supreme charge of that household.
See Ephesians 3:14-15: For this reason I kneel before the
Father, from whom all fatherhood in heaven and on
earth derives its name.
(Volume
2, Question 316)
Objection: Where in the
Bible does it say that Peter is the Vicar of God?
The three classical passages in which St. Peter's supremacy
over the Church is clearly shown are as follows:
In the Gospel of St. Matthew 16:13-19, we find Christ
saying to Peter,
"And I tell you, you are Peter,
and on this rock I will build my church, and the
powers of death shall not prevail against it. I will
give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven, and whatever
you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven, and whatever
you loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven."
Christ there constituted Peter head of the Church in
promise, declaring that the office would carry with
it the power to act vicariously in the name of God.
In St. Luke, 22:31-32, we have the words of Christ,
"Simon, Simon, behold, Satan demanded
to have you, that he might sift you like wheat,
but I have prayed for you that your faith may not
fail; and when you have turned again, strengthen
your brethren."
St. John, 21:15-17, tells us how Christ, after His
resurrection, commissioned St. Peter to feed His lambs,
and to feed His sheep, i.e., to be Shepherd over the
whole flock:
When they had finished breakfast, Jesus said to
Simon Peter,
"Simon, son of John, do you love
me more than these?"
He said to him, "Yes,
Lord; you know that I love you." He said to
him, "Feed
my lambs."
A second time he said to him, "Simon,
son of John, do you love me?" He said to him, "Yes,
Lord; you know that I love you." He said to
him, "Tend
my sheep."
He said to him the third time, "Simon,
son of John, do you love me?" Peter was grieved
because he said to him the third time, "Do you
love me?" And he said to him, "Lord, you
know everything; you know that I love you." Jesus
said to him, "Feed my sheep.
(Volume 1, Question 351)
Objection: St. Peter was
not head of the Apostles. All the Apostles acted as having
the same authority.
The Apostles, having been
sent by Christ to all nations, had universal jurisdiction,
but this universality of jurisdiction was extraordinary,
and did not pass to those successors whom they consecrated
for particular localities. Also, while the Apostles
each rejoiced in jurisdiction over all regions, St.
Peter had all authority centered in him. Hence, St.
Paul went to consult him at Jerusalem.
(Volume 1, Question 352)
Objection: Why did the Apostles ask Christ who
was the greater among them, if they knew that Peter was
the greater? (Mark 9:33-35)
They were disputing as to who should be the greater in
Heaven, not concerning their office on earth. The fact
that Christ replied by teaching a lesson of interior
humility shows that He knew them to be referring to their
personal standing in God's esteem.
(Volume 1, Question 353)
Objection: Why did not Christ
say that St. Peter was the greater, taking advantage
of this occasion?
You must remember the
sense of the discussion. Peter was not necessarily
the greater from an aspect of grace and holiness. Eternal
rewards depend rather upon Christian virtue than upon
earthly office. St. Peter was Chief in earthly office,
although we know that St. John was called the beloved
disciple.
(Volume 1,
Question 354)
Objection: Christ forbade any of them to exercise
authority when He said, "Do not lord over others
as do the Gentiles." (Matthew 20:25)
Christ warned the Apostles
against exercising authority in unjust and domineering
ways such as those absorbed by worldly pursuits
and pleasures; similar to those who delighted
to be thought of as great, and who love tyranny. He
forbade the evil method, but He deliberately gave His
authority to the Apostles, and chiefly to St. Peter.
(Volume 1, Question 355)
Objection: Does Scripture
show that Peter was even aware of, or openly claimed
supreme power?
Since none of the Apostles disputed it, St. Peter
had no need to insist upon it. All knew that Christ
had said to him,
"Thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will
build my Church."
Matthew 16:18.
And again,
"I
have prayed for thee, thy faith fail not: and do
thou, being once converted, confirm thy brethren." Luke
22:32.
They knew, too, that Christ's commission
to St. Peter to feed both the lambs and the sheep of
the flock included themselves. (John 21:15-17).
Implicitly St. Peter claimed his right by:
- being the
first to announce the Gospel after Pentecost,
- by conducting
the election of Matthias as an Apostle in place of
Judas,
- by presiding at the Council of Jerusalem,
etc.
St. Paul wrote to the Galatians in Chapter 1, that
he went to Jerusalem to see Peter, and stayed there
fifteen days with him. Why to Peter rather than to
any other of the Apostles? And why does he add that,
having gone to Jerusalem, he also saw James? He does
not say that he went to see such Apostles as were at
Jerusalem, or that he went to see James, and also happened
to see Peter while he was there.
Then after three years I went
up to Jerusalem to visit Cephas, and remained with
him fifteen days. But I saw none of the other apostles
except James the Lord's brother.
(Galatians 1:18-19) (RSV))
(Volume 1,
Question 361)
Objection: Christ said, "Upon this rock," meaning
Himself, not Peter.
That is erroneous. In John 1:42, we find Christ
saying to Peter,
"Thou Simon [...] thou shalt be called
Cephas, Which is interpreted Peter,"
Christ had
a special purpose in thus changing his name to Cephas
or rock, a purpose manifested later on as recorded
by Matthew 16:18,
"Thou art Peter, and upon
this rock I will build my Church,"
Let us put
it this way. Supposing your name were Brown, and I
said to you,
"They
call you Brown, but I am going to call you Stone.
And upon this stone I shall build up a special society
I have in mind to establish,"
Would you believe that I was alluding to you, or to
myself? Now Peter's name was Simon, and Christ changed
it to Peter, or in the original Aramaic language, Kepha,
which was the word for rock or stone, and which was
never used as a proper name in that language. Thus He said,
"Thou
art Kepha, and upon this Kepha I will
build my Church,"
In
modern English it would sound thus, "Thou art Mr.
Stone, and this stone I will build my Church." The
word could not possibly refer to Christ in this text.
(Volume 1, Question 362)
Objection: But in the Greek
text the word for Peter is Petros, and for stone, petra.
They are not the same.
There is no value in pointing out the differences of
form in this word according to the Latin or Greek languages,
in which they are accommodated to the masculine for Peter
as a man, and to the feminine for stone. Our
Lord spoke Aramaic, in which the form is the same in both cases,
simply, Kepha
(Volume 2,
Question 335)
Objection: A few
verses after Peter is called the rock, Christ said to
him, "Get
behind me, Satan!... you do not
have in mind the things of God, but the things of men" (Mark
8:33)
Peter's love for Christ could not bear the thought
that his Master should have to endure the things of
which He then began to speak. Our Lord appreciated
the sympathy which prompted Peter's protest but insisted
strongly that such things must be. In no way did He
withdraw any official standing from Peter. If you think
He did because these words are subsequent to the promise,
then I must draw your attention to the words given
by St. Luke
22:32, and certainly subsequent to the
rebuke you quote,
"I
have prayed for thee, Simon, that thy faith fail
not; and do thou, being converted, and confirm thy
brethren."
(Volume
1, Question 356)
Objection: Did not
James preside the Council of Jerusalem, although Peter
was present?
He did not. St. Peter presided at the Council of
Jerusalem. Acts 15:7, says:
"After
much disputing Peter rose up and said ..."; he
then solved the question.
Verse 12 tells us that after
Peter had spoken all held peace. James then spoke in
support of Peter's decision, as much as to say, "Peter
is right. I too think that the Gentiles should not
be disquieted."
And after there had been much debate, Peter rose
and said to them,
"Brethren, you know that in
the early days God made His choice among you, that
by my mouth the Gentiles should hear the word of
the gospel and believe. And God who knows the heart
bore witness to them, giving them the Holy Spirit
just as he did to us; and he made no distinction
between us and them, but cleansed their hearts
by faith. Now therefore why do you make trial of
God by putting a yoke upon the neck of the disciples
which neither our fathers nor we have been able
to bear? But we believe that we shall be saved
through the grace of the Lord Jesus, just as they
will."
And
all the assembly kept silence; and they listened
to Barnabas and Paul as they related what signs and
wonders God had done through them among the Gentiles.
St. Jerome remarks,
concerning this incident:
"The
whole multitude held their peace, and James the Apostle
together with all the priests passed over to the
judgment of Peter. Peter was the prime mover in
issuing the decree."
St. John Chrysostom wrote:
"See the care of
the teacher towards his subjects! He has the first
authority in the discussion because to him all were
committed."
(Volume 1, Question 357)
Objection: But if all this
be so, why did Paul boast that he resisted Peter to the
face?
(Galatians 2:9–14)
“And when they
perceived the grace that was given to me, James and
Cephas and John, who were reputed to be pillars,
gave to me and Barnabas the right hand of fellowship…But
when Cephas came to Antioch I opposed him to his
face, because he stood condemned. For before certain
men came from James, he ate with the Gentiles; but
when they came, he drew back and separated himself,
fearing the circumcision party. And with him the
rest of the Jews acted insincerely, so that even
Barnabas was carried away by their insincerity. But
when I saw that they were not straightforward about
the truth of the gospel, I said to Cephas before
them all,
‘If you, though a Jew, live like
a Gentile and not like a Jew, how can you compel
the Gentiles to live like Jews?' (Galatians 2:9–14)
St. Peter was supreme head of the Church and infallible
in his doctrinal teaching, but it does not follow that
he would not be indiscreet in some act of administration.
Now no doctrinal error was involved in this particular
case. St. Peter indiscreetly ceased to eat with the
Gentiles because of the presence of some Jews, but
to cease from doing a lawful thing for fear that others
will be scandalized is not a matter of doctrine. It
is a question of prudence or imprudence. St. Paul did
not act as if he were St. Peter's superior, nor
did he boast. To show urgency of the matter, he practically
said, "I had to
resist even Peter - to whom chief authority belongs." His
words derive their full significance only from the
fact that St. Peter was the head of the Apostles.
St. Cyprian, who lived in the third century, knew of
this passage and certainly understood Christianity.
He did not perceive any objection against St. Peter's
supremacy in this case. He writes,
"Peter, whom
the Lord chose to be first and upon whom He built
His Church, did not proudly assert the primacy he
possessed, nor despise Paul who had once been a persecutor
of the Church; but he accepted meekly, giving us
an example of patience."
St. Hilary in the fifth century says,
"Both Paul
and Peter are to be admired; Paul because he did
not fear to point out right practice to his superior;
Peter because, knowing that all acknowledged his
primacy, he had too much humility to resent any reproach
offered to himself."
(Volume 1,
Question 358)
Objection: Did not
St. Paul say, "I have laid the
foundation [...] but let each take care how he builds
thereon"?
(1 Corinthians 3:10)
St. Paul declares that he personally laid the foundations
of a particular of the Church at Corinth. Christ had
founded the whole Church upon Peter. Each must take care
how he builds, and St. Paul took care that the Church
at Corinth would be in full accordance with the universal
Church founded upon St. Peter. Anyone who departs from
the authority of St. Peter is not taking care, but going
outside the constitution of the Church as established
by Christ, and severing from that Church.
(Volume 1, Question 359)
Objection: St. Paul was
head of the Gentile Churches; St. Peter was the head
of the Jewish section only.
If so, you are in a great
difficulty. If the Church was thus divided and St.
Paul was head of the Gentile section, where is St.
Paul's successor today? We have the successors of St.
Peter in the Popes, and the present Pope is head of
the Church with over 1.25 billion members, the
vast majority of them Gentiles. In any case, St. Paul
again and again addressed the Jews in their synagogues,
and St. Peter certainly ministered to the Gentiles
in his turn, above all, as Bishop of Rome.
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