David
Taylor
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Hi, Everyone —
Thanks again for all of your previous help!
Since I
have so many questions, I thought maybe we
can discuss them one at a time. Let's
start with salvation.
- Is it accurate to say this about the Catholic
faith?
Catholics believe that we are saved by faith
alone, but don't use that language very
often because of Bible passages like James
2:14-17
14 What does it profit, my brethren,
if someone says he has faith but does not
have works? Can faith save him? 15 If a brother
or sister is naked and destitute of daily
food, 16 and one of you says to them, ‘Depart
in peace, be warmed and filled,' but
you do not give them the things which are
needed for the body, what does it profit? 17 Thus also faith by itself, if it does not
have works, is dead”
James
2:14-17
and James 2:24
24 You see then that a man is justified
by works, and not by faith only.
James 2:24
- I know that generalizations and stereotypes
are usually bad and I completely understand
that different Catholics believe different
things and different Catholic churches teach
different things, but do Catholics, as
a general rule, believe that people can lose
their salvation?
- If yes, then there seems
to be a good
works component to salvation.
- If
no, then how do you get forgiveness after
committing a sin?
I have no problem whatsoever with doing good
works as long as we don't get so caught
up in doing them, that we forget our reason
for doing them in the first place, which
is our relationship with God.
Doing good works
should spring from a personal desire to spread
God's love to others, not out of a feeling
of obligation.
Thanks again,
David
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John
replied:
Hi, David —
Good to hear from you again. Let's
straighten out something from the
get go.
The Catholic Church has one
teaching on Salvation. That is, we
are saved by Grace Alone!
No individual
priest, parish, or individual is
free to teach or believe otherwise.
That doesn't mean that they aren't
heretics in our midst. Nevertheless,
the teaching of the Church is clear.
Here is where we differ from classical
Protestantism.
- Protestants believe
Justification and Salvation are static
and forensic.
- Catholics (and all other Christians
who have maintained Apostolic
Succession) understand that Justification
and Salvation are dynamic
and intrinsic.
While Luther argued
that we are simply declared righteous,
the Church has always maintained
that God not only declares us
righteous, He makes us so. He
doesn't simply impute righteousness,
He infuses His righteousness. We therefore, must cooperate with
this grace in order to finish
the
race (2 Timothy 4:7) as Paul would say, but even
our cooperation is
only possible by grace. Hence,
we work out our salvation with
fear and trembling, knowing that
it is God who works His way in
us. So we have a Paradox.
We understand that it is all grace,
yet at the same time, we can't
deny the free will God gave us.
You see, Protestantism looks at
Scripture and therefore salvation,
strictly in a juridical prism.
It's
all a very legal thing. It takes
place in the courtroom. According
to Luther and Calvin, we are acquitted
based on Christ's paying our
penalty.
Now, there is something very true
about all that, but it's
not a sufficient explanation of Salvation.
If all Jesus did was save me from
Hell, then He's just My Lord and
Bailiff. Salvation is much more than
that. St. Paul, gives us several
models. He talks about being "in
Christ",
he talks about receiving an inheritance,
being the Bride of Christ. In other
words, it is more than a legal exchange . . .
it is an exchange of persons. Yes,
Christ gave Himself for us. Amen
brother.
We agree but He gave Himself
for us, in order to give Himself
to us. That is the very nature
of
a covenant.
Protestantism is born of the question:
- What
must I do to be saved?
This
is the question the Philippian Jailer
asked Paul in the book of Acts. (Acts 16:25-31)
Catholicism
is born of the question Christ asked
Peter in Matthew 16:
For 2,000
years the Church has always started
with that question. What we believe
about salvation flows from how we
answer the question:
What
we believe about:
- Mary
- the Sacraments
- the Saints
- the use of Statues
and Icons, and
- every Catholic
doctrine
is rooted in our understanding
of the Incarnation. Moreover,
some doctrines, such as atonement,
have not been dogmatically defined.
We have several paradigms and
theories which attempt to explain
the Mystery but, in terms of
a soteriological formula, we have
no dogma, other than to say, we
know God saves men by grace and
therefore, we entrust ourselves
and the souls of our loved ones
to His great Love and Mercy; knowing
that He desires all men to be
saved. Regardless, as a rule,
we don't go around saying: this one
is saved, or so-and-so isn't.
Yes, as a Catholic, I have a moral
assurance of my Salvation. That is:
I know that God has done all that
is necessary for my salvation to
be accomplished. Nevertheless, I
can't guarantee that I will continue
in the faith and it would be
heresy for me to deny free will.
I have what the Bible calls hope. That is a joyful expectation,
that He who began a good work in
me, shall be faithful to complete
it until the day of Christ Jesus.
(Philippians 1:6)
John
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David
replied:
Hi, John —
Thank you, thank you, thank you!
You have no idea how much you have
helped me. I really appreciate your kindness and willingness to
take the time to answer my questions. I'll read
this over and write more later.
Have
a great day!
David
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John
replied:
John replied:
Hi Dave,
Happy to be of assistance.
Please find attached
a MS Word file that gives
a brief explanation about the
Communion of Saints and Mary.
This is only a partial explanation — especially
as it relates to Mary.
The notes
are from a teaching I give RCIA students and they (the notes)
pre-suppose other material that has
already been covered. Nevertheless,
I believe you'll be able to digest
most of it.
If
you're about to choke on any of it,
just shoot me a line with your questions
and I'll be happy to work with
you on it.
Merry Christmas,
In the Love of our Savior,
John
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Eric
replied:
Hi, Dave —
As Jimmy Akin has
explained and
Pope Benedict has
discussed it
is possible to understand the phrase justification
by faith alone in an orthodox
Catholic manner if one understands
faith as formed faith,
that is, faith working through love
(Galatians 5:6). This has been well
established since the time of the
Reformation.
This, of necessity,
is a faith that bears fruit in good
deeds, and is contrasted with intellectual
faith. Whether this is compatible
with what you believe, I do not know,
that is for you to judge.
You said:
I know that generalizations and stereotypes
are usually bad, and I completely
understand that different Catholics
believe different things and different
Catholic churches teach different
things.
There is mostly uniformity in Catholic
belief, as formally defined — more
uniformity than in any denomination,
though I suppose there may be some
individual churches that have greater
uniformity within themselves. As
in any church, there are those who
are ignorant, and those who dissent.
What matters is what the Pope and
the bishops in union with him teach.
You said:
. . . but do Catholics,
as a general rule, believe that people
can lose their salvation?
Absolutely, as Scripture makes abundantly
clear (ask me for citations if you
want, this would make a great discussion).
You said:
- If yes, then
there seems to be a good works component
to salvation.
Not really. If by my grace, I give
you the gift of a place to stay in
my home, and you do not abandon my
home to go live in squalor, you have
not thereby earned the gift of a
place to stay in my home. Not abandoning
my home is not a good work you
did to earn my generosity. Likewise,
the idea that we can forsake our
salvation, but don't, is not contradictory
to the gratuitous nature of salvation,
nor to the fact that we are justified
by faith.
You said:
- If no, then how
do you get forgiveness after committing
a sin?
Well, that would be the sacrament
of Confession, although this is not
necessary for sins that don't separate
us from God.
You said:
I have no problem
whatsoever with doing good works
as long as we don't
get so caught up in doing them that
we forget our reason for doing them,
in the first place, which is our
relationship with God.
Catholic teaching says that deeds (I avoid using the term 'works' because,
as I explained to you, when St. Paul
uses the term, he usually means Jewish
ceremonial rituals) are good only
insofar as they are motivated by
love for God. The fact that you feed
the poor is, in and of itself, immaterial;
you had to do it out of love for
God in order for the deed to be recognized
as deserving reward in God's eyes.
You said:
Doing good works
should spring from a personal desire
to spread God's
love to others, not out of a feeling
of obligation.
Again, I would say that good deeds
should flow from our love for God,
from our desire to be like Him, to
have His heart, and so forth. To
speak of a personal desire
to spread God's love to others is,
in my mind, to reduce the question
to one of evangelism, unless by spreading
God's love to others you mean
pouring out the love you receive
from God to others, not merely proclaiming
to others that God loves them. (See James 2.)
Certainly, spreading God's
love to others is good and high priority (when it is motivated by love for
God), but we do good deeds not merely
to gain a convert but out of pure
love for them (and God). It's a subtle
distinction.
For example, Mother
Teresa's community in Calcutta often
encounters people on the verge of
death. They provide them with love
in their final moments by taking
care of their needs, perhaps just
holding them or touching them, giving
them dignity and showing them someone
cares. There is no chance of converting
these people, it's just a matter
of showing them love when they die.
Eric
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