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Nick Smith wrote:

Hi, guys —

I like being Catholic, but the Roman Catholic branch seems to be untenable today. I have a hard time supporting sex abuse cover-ups and child abuse cover ups by the bishops and the Pope of this Church.

Now I learn, the Pope was a Nazi along with thousands of other bishops and priests. I want to join the Antiochian Orthodox Catholic Church.

  • Do you see any problem with that?

I get to remain Catholic without supporting these horrible wrongs. I believe the Eastern Orthodox Catholics are just as Catholic as the Roman Catholics — even the Roman Catholic Church recognizes 22 other orthodox Catholic churches.

Nick

  { Is there anything wrong with joining another rite of the Church due to the misdeeds of the clerics? }

Mary Ann replied:

Hi, Nick —

Some bishops have engaged in cover ups within their diocese, but you have your facts wrong about the bishops, as a whole, and about the Pope. The New York Times actually reported known factual errors in these cases. Pope Benedict from the beginning of his tenure at the CDF (Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith) has reformed and strengthened the abuse law and procedures. I refer you to this article.

In any case, even if the attacks were true, it doesn't mean you are supporting evil by remaining in the Church. Remaining in the Church means being faithful to Christ, who is, Himself, attacked when people are abused. It means being faithful to His Word, Sacrament and to His flock, over which he placed Peter. It means staying in union with Him, according to Christ's will at the Last Supper.

Mary Ann

Eric replied:

Nick,

I hate to tell you this, but all Christian denominations, including the Orthodox, have trouble with abusive priests and ministers and covering things up. This is not a problem that only the Catholic Church has. It's just that the Catholic Church has deep pockets, so people are going after it.

The Church is also centralized, which makes it easy to track things down and easy to pin blame.
If something bad happens at Good Book Bible Church, nobody can be blamed but Good Book Bible Church, and no one knows about it except locally; but if something happens in a Catholic parish or school, all of a sudden, the Pope himself is guilty. That said, we have a lot more exposure.
Also, the Church is a witness in our culture to the truth, a truth that people in the media don't want to acknowledge; and she is a big target, a sign of authority, so they delight in taking her down.

  • Where did you see that the pope was a Nazi?

This is a scurrilous lie. It is true he was compelled, against his will, to join Hitler Youth, as were all the boys of his age, but his family had a history of anti-Nazism and if I am not mistaken, the pope eventually escaped the Hitler Youth. There is no evidence that he harbored any Nazi sympathies.

You are barking up the wrong tree if you are looking for a church that hasn't committed grave wrongs. You can read at <pokrov.org> examples of abuse and cover ups committed by Orthodox clergy. They are not immune, so joining the Antiochene Orthodox church is not a solution.

Besides, if you know the Catholic Church was founded by Christ as necessary for salvation, you could not be saved if you did not remain in it. (Lumen Gentium 14) Members of the Orthodox Church, while in close communion with the Catholic Church, are not in full communion with Her, and one cannot be fully Catholic as a member of that church.

Finally, don't leave Peter because of Judas. The biggest scandal in the Church happened Holy Thursday when one of the first bishops betrayed Our Savior to his death, and another denied him publicly.

The moral misbehavior of a cleric is never a justification for leaving the Church.

Eric

Nick replied:

Hi, guys—

Because someone else does it, doesn't make it right.

  • Why blame the media?

According to history, the Roman Catholic Church split with the Eastern Orthodox, not the other way around. St. Paul converted those in Antioch. When I asked several priests about my concern over a child leaving the Church (Lumen Gentium 14) they all said, Vatican II did away with that notion. As long as they believe in Christ, that's all they need.

  • Who is not telling the truth?

I hate to tell you this, but the cover-ups by the Vatican are very hurtful.

Actually, all I wanted to know was if the Antiochian Orthodox Catholic Church is really Catholic.

It seems that it must be because of St. Peter and St. Paul. The schism involved recognition of a Pope, not the elimination of the Church.

Nick

Mary Ann replied:

Nick,

If that Church is in union with Peter, with Rome, then it is Catholic.

If they rejected the Pope, they rejected communion and are not part of the universal (Catholic) Church.

Mary Ann

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