Raney
Heald
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Hey there, Mike —
You probably don't remember me, but we communicated
some last year.
You sent me a copy of the CCC and a Rosary
(which I use quite often), through your FREE
Catechism Program.
Thanks again for those holy gifts. Now
I have another question for you.
I have been somewhat troubled by John Paul
II's use of Totus Tuus in relation
to his personal consecration to the Blessed
Mother. I certainly share his veneration of
Mary but have some difficulty with some of
St. Louis de Monfort's Mariology which
I understand greatly influences his own concepts.
While I understand that Mary points us towards
Christ, to be totally hers, it
seems to reinforce the idea that devotion
to Mary obscures, diminishes, or replaces
the devotion due to God.
I guess it just doubly concerns me coming
from a Pope. While I am definitely being drawn to Rome,
I still get the willys when I
encounter certain things like this and would
like some clarification.
Thanks so much,
Raney
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Is the Pope's devotion to Mary going too far via St. Louis de Monfort's Mariology and theology? }
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Mike
replied:
Hi, Raney —
Great to hear from you.
This is a common question; it's even in our searchable knowledge base:
There are a lot of quick answers there, so give it a try.
I searched the knowledge base for you and found these web postings that may help:
The only public words Mary ever
spoke in the Gospels were:
Do what ever He tells you. (John 2:5) . . .
at the wedding feast in Cana. Every
special privilege Mary has, says
something about who Jesus Christ
is. Whether we are talking
about:
- Her title, Mother (meaning God-bear)
of God the Son, or
- Her Immaculate Conception, being
born free from sin through the
merits of Christ, in the womb
of her mother, St. Anne.
Mary always points to her Divine
Son, Jesus. We can have confidence
in this, because unlike you and me,
who were born with original sin,
Mary was born free from original
sin, not on her own merit, but by
the merits of her Divine Son, Jesus
Christ, Our Blessed Lord.
For short, there aren't family fights
in Heaven over who gets the prayers
and who doesn't.
We don't pray only to
Mary. We pray to
both Jesus and Mary.
There is no reason whatsoever why any
Catholic can't and shouldn't consecrate
(him/her)self to Jesus on a regular
basis (Devotion to the Sacred Heart), but because
of the special place Mary holds in
the salvation of all mankind and
in the minds of Catholic Christians,
we consecrate ourselves to Mary,
knowing she always points to her
Divine, Resurrected, and Glorified
Son.
I'd say when we consecrate ourselves
to Mary, we are consecrating ourselves
to Jesus.
- Where did the incarnated Jesus
come from?
- Where did He get His Holy Flesh
from?
Mary!
This doesn't change the fact that
Mary is just
a human person, though
born free from sin, and
Jesus is
the Divine Person, with
two natures, one human and one divine,
neither of which confuse the other.
To say Jesus is a human person is a
Christian error.
Personally, I think it's a mind set
thing. Most Protestants have a me
and Jesus relationship, which
is very good, if not excellent; but
there is more. The Church is a family
affair.
You also may be interested in
this posting. It talks about
special Catholic devotions we
have to both Jesus and Mary, called
First Fridays and First Saturdays.
Mike
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John
replied:
Raney,
If someone doesn't first have a real
relationship with the Lord, whether
they are a:
- non-Catholic
- poorly catechized Catholic,
or
- un-evangelized Catholic . . .
they can have a dangerous and incorrect
understanding of what the Total Consecration
to Mary by St. Louis de Monfort is all about.
Because they lack a true relationship
with the Lord, Jesus, their Marian
devotion can lead to an idolatry:
one that develops inside spiritually
and may manifest itself in public.
A Catholic Christian that does not
have a true relationship with the
Lord Jesus Christ, can develop an
attitude that:
They go to Mary, because Jesus
wouldn't do what they want for
them anyway.
This is heresy.
We go to Mary to manifest the same
love, that Our Lord has for (His
and Our) Mother. He is very pleased
when we make this total consecration
to (His and Our) Mother. Because
we have already laid a previous foundation
of love, where we have a true relationship
with Our Lord, Himself, our faith
remains secure and solid.
There are also some who have a true
relationship with the Lord Jesus,
but have little, to no, Marian spirituality.
If their relationship with the Lord
is truly devout, they should not
fear having any Marian devotion for
any reason. Numerous Catholic and
non-Catholic Christians have received
many, many blessings by having a
strong devotion to Our Blessed Mother,
especially by praying the Rosary.
Nevertheless, one has to first have
a truly devout relationship with
Christ, Our Blessed Lord.
As it relates to the Pope consecrating himself to Our Blessed Mother, the assumption
here, is that the person already is a believer, so Mary becomes a pair of glasses
that we put on, to help us see Jesus. We are not looking at Mary, we're looking through
Mary.
Think about what happens when you
or I walk into a room.
The Holy Spirit abides in us, and
therefore so does Jesus. When you
or I walk into a room, Jesus Christ
walks in with us, yet people don't
fall down on their knees and worship.
That's because they can't see Him.
They may see certain Christian qualities
in us and hopefully, the more we
grow in Christ, the more they notice
Him in us. I highly doubt, we will
reach a stage in our lives where
we are so Christ-like, that people
see Jesus, in us, when we walk in
a room. Mary, on the other hand,
is that transparent. When we look
at Mary, we can see through her and
see Her Son, Jesus.
Mary's will is so much in sync with
the will of Jesus and so much in
sync with the will of the Trinity,
yet she remains a human being. As
such, she is the perfect disciple.
She is perfected by grace, and is
what we hope to be when we have received
our Resurrected bodies.
The Church teaches that everything
we believe about Mary, relates to
what we believe about Christ, and
therefore it illuminates what we
believe about Christ.
Evangelicals talk about asking Jesus
into their heart. That's great. We
should all do that so Jesus dwells
in my heart and in yours. Unfortunately,
we don't let Him in every room. He
may live there, but we put limits
to where we let Him go, what rooms
in our heart we'll let Him go into.
Mary doesn't do that. Being preserved
from original and personal sin, by
grace, she is completely free to
say Yes to Jesus, so we look to her
heart, to be that magnifying lens
we sometimes need to better understand
her Son.
John
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Raney
replied:
Hi, guys —
Thanks for the clarification.
I feel I have a rather firm understanding
of the theological substructure regarding
Mary, i.e.:
- her role as Theotokos
- her acceptance of and cooperation
in the divine plan of redemption
- her mediatorial role as well,
at least in the sense of her intercession.
I know that it is through her, that
God, as Logos, co-opted, assimilated,
or took on humanity for
a redemptive effort and effect as
the Incarnate Word.
- Does the Church teach, however,
that her exalted role is eternal
or temporal?
- In other words, will she be
part of the Bride of Christ or
is she somehow exalted beyond
that role?
- Will her function as
Mediatrix, for example, one day
be fulfilled (ended) when the
entire Church is united with Christ?
- I guess what I'm asking is,
what is her relationship to the
Saints (capital S) who have already
gained Heaven?
- And, are we to be graced as fully
as she has been in the hereafter?
I realize that I have somewhat strayed
from my original question. This has
turned into a bit of stream-of-consciousness
musing. Sorry. I do find it an interesting
question though.
- Does the Church have anything
specific to say regarding this?
Thanks,
Raney
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Mike
replied:
Hi, Raney —
You said:
- Does the Church
teach, however, that her exalted
role is eternal or temporal?
Because of the Lord's choice to redeem mankind this way and Mary's
choice to say:
"Yes, I will become the Mother
of Jesus" (Luke 1:38)
her role is special, unique and
eternal in cooperating with the salvation
of mankind.
In lieu of the manner God wanted
to save mankind, without Mary's Yes,
Jesus would not have to been able
to come down from Heaven to redeem
us, so again, Yes, it is eternal
and higher than the saints.
You said:
- In other
words, will she be part of
the Bride of Christ or is she
somehow exalted beyond that
role?
Yes! She is part of the Body of Christ. To imply, in
any way, that she is part of
the (Trinity|God) would be heresy.
You said:
- Will her function as
Mediatrix, for example, one day
be fulfilled (ended) when the
entire Church is united with Christ?
Boy, that's a good question. Personally,
I would say, Yes, her function as Mediatrix,
will be fulfilled (ended) when the
entire Church is united with Christ,
as she is now united with Him.
You said:
- I guess what I'm
asking is, what is her relationship
to the Saints (capital S) who
have already gained Heaven?
She is the Saint of all Saints. Think
of the smartest Saint in the Church.
Mary is many steps ahead of that
Saint and is the model that all Christians should follow, because her perpetual plea
consists of the only public words
she spoke in Gospels:
Do whatever my Divine Son tells
you! (John 2:5)
Catholic Christians strive to follow
what Mary wants us to do.
You said:
- And are we to be
graced as fully as she has been in the
hereafter?
Hmmmm. I'd say Yes. The main difference
being our different roles in salvation
history.
- Mary had one (role/calling).
- You have one (role/calling).
- I have one (role/calling),
and
- John has one (role/calling).
Here's an analogy to reflect on.
There are two glasses.
- One is a whisky shot glass.
- the other is an extra-large to-go cup at your favorite ice cream
shop
Question:
- If we fill both glasses
to the top with water and think of
the water as happiness and joy, which
glass is happier? <Both are
equally as happy.>
Because although, by design,
they have different capacities, they
are both full of water,
as Mary is full of grace.
You said:
- Does the Church
have anything specific to say
regarding this?
The important stuff would be in the Catechism I sent you.
That's the best I can do. May be
my colleagues can fill in any holes :
)
Mike
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John
replied:
Hi, Raney —
Just a few thoughts, right of the
bat.
Mary differs in a very tangible
way from the other saints in Heaven.
She has a body, they don't. You see,
even attaining Heaven is not the
fullness of salvation. The fullness
of salvation comes at the Resurrection
of the Dead, when we shall all receive
our glorified bodies. Mary already
received hers. Her Body was transformed
and glorified at her Assumption.
Mary was crowned Queen of Heaven.
That was her reward, just as we shall
have our particular rewards. We need
to try to think of this eternal
hierarchy not in human terms.
We will all rejoice in each other's
eternal roles. There will be no hint
of jealousy. When we say, she is exalted
above us, it will be like our Mother
being exalted.
There will be no selfishness, or
self giving in Heaven. We will participate
in the Life of the Trinity which
is nothing less than total love —
Total self giving.
Mary's role on Earth was to bring
Jesus into the world and give Him
to us. That's why she has the title
of Mediatrix. That is what a mediator
or Mediatrix does, she brings Christ
to the people. She is still doing
that in Heaven, so we will be, all
the more, loving her and rejoicing
with her. God created us to be family, so that
our relationship with Him was indeed
contingent to our relationship to
others. He taught us to pray Our
Father, not My
Father.
While we have a personal relationship
with Christ, that relationship, by
it's very nature, brings about a
relationship to other human beings
as it does in Heaven with the exception
that in Heaven we won't have selfishness
and petty jealousy to mess things
up.
John
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Raney
replied:
Thanks guys,
Your explanations have helped greatly
in my attempt to grasp the big
picture where our Blessed Mother
is concerned. I'm simply trying to
discern the Truth in all its beauty
and profundity.
I'm sure you're familiar with the
Catholic Home Study Service. I've
completed two of Fr. Lukefahr's books,
the one on the Bible and the survey
of Catholicism. I've ordered the
course dealing with Mary and expect
it will also be a great help to my understanding of the faith.
It's very nice to know that such
knowledgeable people, so willing
to help as you, are only an e-mail away. If I ever make it all the way
to Rome, you guys will
certainly be one of the reasons.
Thanks so much,
Raney
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