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Ape Baggins wrote:

Hi, guys —

I started thinking the other day about how Mary was only 13 when she got pregnant with Jesus which brought to my mind the moral issue behind a 13-year-old getting pregnant with God's baby while she was legally and morally bound to Joseph (and the fact that she was 13).

This raised the questions:

  • Was a premarital relation with God moral or immoral?
  • If it was moral, does that put God above His own rules?
  • Or, does that mean that it was a moral decision?

I understand, at the time, it was a different day and age but at the same time that would mean:

  • that morality can change based on biological evolution, or
  • it is fluid and there are no set laws to moral decisions which would seem to be a possibility with how different societies have behaved on different moral basics.

Where one culture thought it was fine to eat someone, someone else would find it extremely immoral which:

  • with the extreme differences in morals, could mean that it is fluid or
  • that it is subject to a (God/religion) since it would obviously not be a natural moral conscience . . .
              which would mean the conscience is formed by what we surround ourselves with.

This, however, does not answer what defines morality. Many, many times throughout the Bible, God did not act in moral ways and I do not believe that God is a hypocrite and those two things do not correspond.

The conclusion I have come to is that there must be a universe or God or God-like life force that is moral, as morality can not be a made-up force otherwise it would be fluid and life could not exist in a functional manner however, because of the biblical inconsistencies, it would have to be a completely separate entity for morality to be defined by a God.

I am not necessarily set on my on views yet; I would just like to hear another viewpoint, so my question is:

  • What makes something moral or immoral and what defines morality?


  { In light of Mary's interplay with God, what makes something moral and what defines morality? }

Eric replied:


The moral law forbids sexual intercourse outside of marriage, conception or not, because of the emotional bonding involved in the act. It does not prohibit conception, in and of itself.

God, the Father, did not have sexual intercourse with Mary but merely brought about a miraculous conception without intercourse.

Thus, He did not violate His Own Law against fornication.

Eric Ewanco

Mike replied:

Dear Ape,

In addition to Eric's fine answer I wanted to share with you two other web articles on Joseph and Mary's marriage that should provide additional insight. They are from solid sources:


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