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Ron Weaver wrote:

Hi, guys —

My question is:

  • If we pray to saints, who may have died many years ago, and ask for their intercession, why is it frowned upon to pray to our ancestors and ask for their intercession as well?

I couldn't find any particular reference to ancestors in the Catechism and my apologies if you have already answered this, but I couldn't see it among the questions in the database as well as among the FAQ's.

I would appreciate your thoughts please.

Many thanks,

Ron Weaver (75 years)

  { If we can pray to saints and ask for their intercession, why is it frowned upon to ask our ancestors? }

Eric replied:

Ron,

It isn't frowned upon to ask your ancestors for their intercession, although there is a divided opinion on whether it is profitable, and the Church has never done it. Consequently, there is some discouragement for praying to people who aren't yet in Heaven, and of course it's useless to pray to those in Hell.

Since we know canonized saints are in Heaven, (cults|followers) tends to focus on them, but if you want to ask all your ancestors who are in Heaven to pray for you, that's fine.

I'll close with a quote from the Catholic Encyclopedia on the topic:

Purgatory >> Invocation of souls.

  • Do the souls in Purgatory pray for us?
  • May we call upon them in our needs?

There is no decision of the Church on this subject, nor have the theologians pronounced with definiteness concerning the invocation of the souls in Purgatory and their intercession for the living. In the ancient liturgies there are no prayers of the Church directed to those who are still in Purgatory. On the tombs of the early Christians nothing is more common than a prayer or a supplication asking the departed to intercede with God for surviving friends, but these inscriptions seem always to suppose that the departed one is already with God. St. Thomas Aquinas (II-II.83.11) denies that the souls in Purgatory pray for the living, and states they are not in a position to pray for us, rather we must make intercession for them.

Despite the authority of St. Thomas, many renowned theologians hold that the souls in Purgatory really pray for us, and that we may invoke their aid. Bellarmine (De Purgatorio, lib. II, xv,) says the reason alleged by St. Thomas is not at all convincing, and holds that in virtue of their greater love of God and their union with Him their prayers may have great intercessory power, for they are really superior to us in love of God, and in intimacy of union with Him. Francisco Suárez (De poenit., disp. xlvii, s. 2, n. 9) goes farther and asserts “that the souls in Purgatory are holy, are dear to God, love us with a true love and are mindful of our wants; that they know in a general way our necessities and our dangers, and how great is our need of divine help and divine grace”.

When there is question of invoking the prayers of those in Purgatory, Bellarmine (loc. cit.) says it is superfluous, ordinarily speaking, for they are ignorant of our circumstances and condition. This is at variance with the opinion of Francisco Suárez, who admits knowledge at least in a general way, also with the opinions of many modern theologians who point to the practice now common with almost all the faithful of addressing their prayers and petitions for help to those who are still in a place of purgation. Scavini (Theol. Moral., XI, n. 174) sees no reason why the souls detained in Purgatory may not pray for us, even as we pray for one another. He asserts that this practice has become common at Rome, and that it has the great name of St. Alphonsus in its favor.

St. Alphonsus in his work the “Great Means of Salvation”, chap. I, III, 2, after quoting Sylvius, Gotti, Lessius, and Medina as favorable to his opinion, concludes: “so the souls in Purgatory, being beloved by God and confirmed in grace, have absolutely no impediment to prevent them from praying for us. Still the Church does not invoke them or implore their intercession, because ordinarily they have no cognizance of our prayers. But we may piously believe that God makes our prayers known to them”. He alleges also the authority of St. Catharine of Bologna who “whenever she desired any favor had recourse to the souls in Purgatory and was immediately heard”.

Hanna, Edward, “Purgatory,” ed. by Charles G. Herbermann, Edward A. Pace, Condé B. Pallen, Thomas J. Shahan, and John J. Wynne, The Catholic Encyclopedia: An International Work of Reference on the Constitution, Doctrine, Discipline, and History of the Catholic Church (New York: The Encyclopedia Press; The Universal Knowledge Foundation, 1907–1913)



Eric

Ron replied:

Hello Eric,

Many thanks for your prompt reply.

God bless you.

Ron

Mike replied:

Hi, Ron —

You said:

  • If we pray to saints, who may have died many years ago, and ask for their intercession, why is it frowned upon to pray to our ancestors and ask for their intercession as well?

It isn't frowned upon.

The answer to your question falls into the category of theological opinion rather than one of being dogma or doctrine.

If we knew this person well, and could vouch that they lived a good moral Christian life, we can say that we have a moral assurance our family member, friend, or acquaintance is in a better place which could be in one of two places:

  1. Purgatory, the Holy Hospital of Heaven, or
  2. Heaven Itself!!!

I don't know of any doctrinal reason why a Catholic could not ask such a person for their prayers or intercession.

Eric said:
Consequently, there is some discouragement for praying to people who aren't yet in Heaven, and of course it's useless to pray to those in Hell.

If the souls Eric is talking about are in Hell, yes, they are useless, but if the souls he is talking about are in Purgatory, our works and deeds are very, very meritorious when we have Masses said for them and pray that their souls get 100% purified (until they glow with the Divine Fire of Love: Jesus Himself.)

  • How can you help?

Check out my other website dedicated to praying for the Holy Souls in Purgatory:

If we are talking about an ancestor who we knew little about, (not knowing anything about their life choices), we have to speak cautiously, with charity and kindness but truthfully.

No matter what type of ancestors we have had, we should all ask that the Divine Mercy of God be Over us at our own Particular Judgment.

Hope this helps,

Mike

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