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Steve wrote:

Mike,

The Catechism of the Catholic Church, paragraphs 460 and 795 state:

"We have become Christ, and That we might (we will) become God."

Please explain this to me.

God bless,

Steve

  { Can you explain these portions of the Catechism that talk about our becoming like (Christ | God)? }

Mike replied:

Hi, Steve —

Thanks for the question.

Let's start with spelling out what each paragraph says:

I. Why Did The Word Become Flesh?

460 The Word became flesh to make us partakers of the divine nature: (2 Peter 1:4)

For this is why the Word became man, and the Son of God became the Son of man: so that man, by entering into communion with the Word and thus receiving divine sonship, might become a son of God.

(St. Irenaeus of Lyons, Adv. haeres. 3, 19, 1: PG 7/1, 939)

For the Son of God became man so that we might become God.

(St. Athanasius, De inc. 54, 3: PG 25, 192B)

The only-begotten Son of God, wanting to make us sharers in his divinity, assumed our nature, so that he, made man, might make men gods.

(St. Thomas Aquinas, Opusc. 57, 1-4)



"Christ is the Head of this Body"

795 Christ and his Church thus together make up the whole Christ (Christus totus). The Church is one with Christ. The saints are acutely aware of this unity:

Let us rejoice then and give thanks that we have become not only Christians, but Christ himself. Do you understand and grasp, brethren, God's grace toward us? Marvel and rejoice: we have become Christ. For if he is the head, we are the members; he and we together are the whole man. . . . The fullness of Christ then is the head and the members. But what does head and members mean? Christ and the Church.

— (St. Augustine, In Jo. ev. 21,8:PL 35, 1568)

Our redeemer has shown himself to be one person with the holy Church whom he has taken to himself.

— (Pope St. Gregory the Great, Moralia in Job, præf.,14:PL 75, 525A)

Head and members form as it were one and the same mystical person.

— (St. Thomas Aquinas, STh III,48, 2)

A reply of St. Joan of Arc to her judges sums up the faith of the holy doctors and the good sense of the believer:

"About Jesus Christ and the Church, I simply know they're just one thing, and we shouldn't complicate the matter."
(Acts of the Trial of Joan of Arc)


It's not my intent to attribute implicit ill will to you, in answering the question, but many times people of faith, both Catholic and Protestant, will take a quote out of context, without reading the text before and after the quote itself. This is done often with the Holy Scriptures, but as a Catholic apologist, I've also seen it done with Council documents, like those from the Council of Trent.

If we look at the context of paragraph 460, we see it falls within the Chapter heading:

Article 3
"HE WAS CONCEIVED BY THE POWER OF THE HOLY SPIRIT, AND BORN OF THE VIRGIN MARY"
Paragraph 1. The Son of God Became Man.
I. Why Did The Word Become Flesh?

If we look at the context of paragraph 795, we see it falls within the Chapter heading:

Article 9
"I BELIEVE IN THE HOLY CATHOLIC CHURCH"
Paragraph 2. The Church - People of God, Body of Christ, Temple of the Holy Spirit.
"Christ is the Head of this Body".

Paragraph 460 states "For the Son of God became man so that we might become God," in reference to Article 3 of our Creed because it is addressing the question:

  • "Why did the Word become Flesh?" based on what would happen in the future.

Article 9 of our Roman Catholic Creed addresses what we believe now, after we have vocally reaffirmed in the Creed, that He:

"was conceived by the power of the Holy Spirit, and born of the Virgin Mary."

We believe that which has been passed on by the Apostles:

  • Christ and His Church make up the "whole Christ" (Christus totus).
    The Church is one with Christ.

  • Christ is the head; we are the Mystical Body. We partake in Divine nature, especially through the Holy Eucharist, and become divine in Christ, though our nature remains human.

I hope this answers your question; if not, just reply..

and tell others about our site : )

Mike

John replied:

Steve —

Mike is correct, but a little incomplete. We are being transformed into the very image and likeness of Christ.

Eastern Rite Catholics call this Deification and have developed the doctrine more than in the Western Rite.

In our resurrected bodies, our concupiscent nature will no longer exist. Hence, we will, by grace, have been transformed into gods (small g). That is not to say we will be free agents.

John DiMascio

Pastor David Sisco commented:

Mike,

I was reading your response to Steve's question.

While I found your answer to be most intriguing, what really stood out to me was the lack of Scriptural support for your answer.

  • Can you explain this?

I have a copy of the Catechism of the Catholic Church, and I, too, have struggled with understanding this portion of Catholic doctrine.

  • What does the Bible say to this?

Pastor Sisco

Mike replied:

Hi, Pastor Sisco —

The underlining Scriptural assumption in what Catholics believe is based on what Jesus told His Apostles and Disciples in John 6:51-70.

Note that even His Disciples (devoted followers) left Him after He said that they must eat His Body and drink His Blood, and

Only St. Peter says, No, we won't leave. We have come to believe!

After 2,000 years, with a few exceptions, only Catholic and Orthodox Christians still believe, and weekly they eat His Body and drink His Blood in order to nourish them as they carry out their vocation. Without a correct understanding of John 6, many things on your faith journey will always be confusing.

Through the Eucharist, we are not divine nature, but we partake in divine nature. As St. Paul states:

"It's not me, but Christ in me." (Galatians 2:20)

Remember, specific Scriptural support is not needed for a Christian teaching to be true. It is there, but the non-Catholic Protestant has to accept the many biblical verses that support Oral Tradition and sadly, many of our brethren don't accept these biblical passages but ignore them.

All of the early era Christians did not know what books made up the Bible until 382 A.D. at the Council of Rome.

Catholic bishops, guided by the Holy Spirit, decided which books would go in the Bible, and which would not.

The Bible is the Sacred Book written:

  • by Catholics and their ancestors
  • for Catholics
  • for use in the Catholic Church, specifically for Mass, our Divine worship.

Remember Our Lord states in the Scriptures:

"He who hears you, hears me."

(Luke 10:16)

I hope this and the Scripture references below help.

Take care,

Mike


Sacrament of Eucharist

Catholic Note:

While most Protestants believe the Last Supper was significant and often agree that communion is important, they don't believe that Jesus literally meant, He wanted us to eat His Flesh and drink His Blood. They argue that Jesus used many symbols to refer to Himself — He called Himself a door, a vine, etc. And since eating human flesh is cannibalism, they argue that Jesus could not have been speaking literally in John 6. The Eucharist, however, is a unique and miraculous reality in which we consume the entirety of the living Christ — although his natural condition is veiled by the sacrament.

The Church has consistently understood Christ's Words to be literally referring to His True Flesh and Blood, as is evident in the writings of the early Church saints like:

Although all the faithful in the Church have always believed this teaching of transubstantiation, there was no need to formally define it until 1215, at the Fourth Lateran Council dogmatically which said: that while the outward appearances of bread and wine remain {the taste, touch, smell and looks}, their inward realities or substance has become the living Christ. Because Jesus is truly present — Body, Blood, Soul and Divinity — we adore the Eucharist with profound reverence.

The Church is the extension of Christ's incarnation, and that extension takes place through the sacraments. (Scott Hahn , Swear to God, Page 22)

Some verses used to support Protestant arguments.

Genesis 9:4
"Only flesh with its lifeblood still in it you shall not eat."
Deuteronomy 12:18
"You shall not partake of the blood, but must pour it out."
Acts 15:29
"Abstain from ... meats of strangled animals."
The resolution:

What Our Lord was calling the Jewish people to do is to die to the Old Adam and Old Testament laws and rituals and enter the New Covenant of his Body and Blood.

Also in:

to symbolically eat and drink ones body and blood back in Jesus' times means to assault. This would make our Lord promise life everlasting to the culprit for slandering and hating Him, which would reduce the whole passage to utter nonsense. Christ would be saying:

"He that reviles me has eternal life".
Catholicism and Fundamentalism by Karl Keating, Page 241.
An example of Jesus talking symbolically about food. Eucharist is promised.
John 6:35-71
Real Presence of Christ in the Eucharist.
1 Corinthians 2:14 to 1 Corinthians 3:4
St. Paul explains what Jesus means by the flesh.
The Eucharist foretold and prefigured.
Exodus 12:8, 46
Paschal lamb had to be eaten.
Exodus 16:15
"This is the bread which the LORD has given you to eat." (manna)
Malachi 1:11
"everywhere they bring sacrifice to my name, and a pure offering."
John 6:32-60
During the Bread of Life discourse Jesus refers back to the manna of the Old Testament.
See Also
Psalms 78:24ff, Proverbs 9:2ff, Wisdom 16:20
The Eucharist Instituted by Christ.
Matthew 26:26-29, Mark 14:22-25, Luke 22:17-20
Eucharist is instituted by Jesus.
1 Corinthians 5:7
St. Paul pens the earliest written account of the institution of the Eucharist.
John 1:29
Jesus is called "the lamb of God".
The Eucharist celebrated by the Apostles.
Acts 2:42
"[they] devoted themselves to the ... breaking of the bread and to the prayers."
Acts 20:7
"the first day of the week when we gathered to break bread."
1 Corinthians 10:16-22
Eucharist is our participation in Christ's Body and Blood.
Christ is truly present in the Eucharist.
Matthew 26:26
"Take and eat, this is My Body."
Mark 14:22-24
"This is My Body ... This is My Blood of the Covenant."
Luke 22:19-20
"This is My Body, which will be given for you ... New Covenant in My Blood."
1 Corinthians 10:16
In the Eucharist, we participate in the Body and Blood of Christ.
1 Corinthians 11:24
"This is my body that is for you. Do this in remembrance of me."
 
John 6:50-69 says:

This is the bread that comes down from heaven so that one may eat it and not die. I am the living bread that came down from heaven; whoever eats this bread will live forever; and the bread that I will give is my flesh for the life of the world. The Jews quarreled among themselves, saying, How can this man give us (his) flesh to eat? Jesus said to them, Amen, amen, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you do not have life within you. Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise him on the last day. For my flesh is true food, and my blood is true drink. Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood remains in me and I in him. Just as the living Father sent me and I have life because of the Father, so also the one who feeds on me will have life because of me. This is the bread that came down from heaven. Unlike your ancestors who ate and still died, whoever eats this bread will live forever. These things he said while teaching in the synagogue in Capernaum. Then many of his disciples who were listening said, This saying is hard; who can accept it? Since Jesus knew that his disciples were murmuring about this, he said to them, Does this shock you? What if you were to see the Son of Man ascending to where he was before? It is the spirit that gives life, while the flesh is of no avail. The words I have spoken to you are spirit and life. (See note 1.) But there are some of you who do not believe. Jesus knew from the beginning the ones who would not believe and the one who would betray him. And he said, For this reason I have told you that no one can come to me unless it is granted him by my Father. As a result of this, many (of) his disciples returned to their former way of life and no longer accompanied him. Jesus then said to the Twelve, Do you also want to leave? Simon Peter answered him, Master, to whom shall we go? You have the words of eternal life. We have come to believe and are convinced that you are the Holy One of God.

Note 1: - Verses 62-63 state:

    Does this shock you? What if you were to see the Son of Man ascending to where he was before? It is the spirit that gives life, while the flesh is of no avail. The words I have spoken to you are spirit and life.

What Our Lord says here is not intended to be a Maldonatus thought, to increase the scandal, but to rectify what was simply a cannibalistic interpretation of what he has just said.

The Ascension will perhaps surprise the recalcitrants more, but it will eliminate the chief difficulty about eating the flesh of One who in celestial glory takes his place where he was from eternity. Also note that the close followers of Our Lord, the disciples left Him because this was a hard saying. Then Our Lord asks Peter if he will leave him too. Peter representing the 12 Apostles says:

    Master, to whom shall we go? You have the words of eternal life. We have come to believe and are convinced that you are the Holy One of God. (John 6:69)

and:

The Eucharist must be worthily received.

If the Eucharist were just a symbol there would be no need to partake of it worthily.

1 Corinthians 10:21
"Cannot partake of the table of the Lord and of the table of demons."
1 Corinthians 11:23-29
"Whoever eats and drinks without discerning the body, eats and drinks judgment on himself."

(Receiving the Eucharist unworthily makes us guilty of his Body and Blood)
My personal note to my separated brethren:

Come join us, be not afraid and believe with us!
St. Ignatius of Antioch (110 A.D.)
[heretics] abstain from the Eucharist and from prayer, because they do not confess that the Eucharist is the Flesh of Our Savior Jesus Christ.
(His Letter to the Smyrnaeans 6, 2)

St. Justin Martyr (150 A.D.)
not as common bread, nor common drink do we receive these; but ... as we have been taught, the food which has been made into the Eucharist by the Eucharistic prayer set down by him, and by the change of which our blood and flesh are nourished, is both the flesh and blood of that Incarnated Jesus."
(His First Apology 66, 20)

St. Irenaeus of Lyons (195 A.D.)
He [ Jesus ] has declared the cup, a part of his creation, to be His own Blood from which causes our blood to flow; and the bread, a part of his creation, He has established as His own Body from which He gives increase to our bodies.
(His Against Heresies 5, 2, 2)

St. Cyril of Jerusalem, (350 A.D.)
"He himself, therefore, having declared and said of the Bread, 'This is My Body', who will dare any longer to doubt? And when he himself has affirmed and said, 'This is My Blood' who can ever hesitate and say it is not His Blood."
(Catechetical Lectures: Mystagogic 4, 22, 1)

"Do not regard the bread and wine as simply that, for they are, according to the Master's declaration, the Body and Blood of Christ. Even though the sense suggest to you other, let faith make you firm. Do not judge in this manner by taste, but be fully assured by faith, not doubting that you have been deemed worthy of the Body and Blood of Christ."
(Catechetical Lectures: Mystagogic 4,22,6)

And more at:

BibleBeltCatholics.com

Hope this helps,

Mike

John followed up:

Mike,

You gave him a very good answer, but didn't answer his question!

The question was about our participation in the divine nature, the transformation into the likeness of Christ, or as the Eastern Church calls it, Deification. Here are a few passages, off the top of my head, that address the pastor's question.

2 Grace and peace be multiplied to you in the knowledge of God and of Jesus our Lord, 3 as His divine power has given to us all things that pertain to life and godliness, through the knowledge of Him who called us by glory and virtue, 4 by which have been given to us exceedingly great and precious promises, that through these you may be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust. (NKJ)

2 Peter 1:2-4

18 But we all, with unveiled face, beholding as in a mirror the glory of the Lord, are being transformed into the same image from glory to glory, just as by the Spirit of the Lord. (NKJ)

2 Corinthians 3:18

17 Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation; old things have passed away; behold, all things have become new. 18 Now all things are of God, who has reconciled us to Himself through Jesus Christ, and has given us the ministry of reconciliation, 19 that is, that God was in Christ reconciling the world to Himself, not imputing their trespasses to them, and has committed to us the word of reconciliation. 20 Now then, we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God were pleading through us: we implore you on Christ's behalf, be reconciled to God. 21 For He made Him who knew no sin to be sin for us, that we might become the righteousness of God in Him. (NKJ)

2 Corinthians 5:17-21

John DiMascio
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