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First, I want to thank all of you for your
answers to my first question. You were a great
help, however, I have some other questions
that have been plaguing me. If you don't mind, I'd appreciate
your insights again.
Our (RCIA) Rite of Christian Initiation for
Adults instructor has told me several
things that really bother me. She told me "divorce
was OK for basically any reason".
She said
"if a person finds they
simply don't love their spouse anymore, they
(the leaders at the parish) would counsel
the person to get a divorce from the state
and an annulment from the Vatican."
I understand getting a divorce if your spouse
commits adultery, or is abusing you, but not
simply because: "I don't love (him|her)
anymore." That doesn't seem like
a Christian attitude to me, and I've always
been taught in my Baptist church that the
only valid reasons for divorce are adultery
and abuse. I thought the Catholic Church was
very strict on divorces and annulments.
Was I wrong?
Has the Church loosened its restrictions
on the requirements necessary to validly
end a marriage?
I've always admired the Catholic Church's
teachings on marriage, or at least what I
thought were its teachings on marriage.
Our RCIA director also addressed the issue
of abortion. She told me
"if
a female parishioner came to either her or
the priest after discovering that she was
unexpectedly pregnant, and was seeking counsel
about abortion, they would instruct her to
follow her own conscience in the matter."
This
especially bothers me, because abortion has
been rejected by the Church down through the
centuries. Most Protestant denominations
also reject abortion as well. I cannot reconcile
the idea of getting an abortion with living
a Christian life. Abortion is a sin, and I
always thought the Catholic Church believed it was as well.
Again, was I wrong?
In addition, she told me that there are several
active homosexual members of the parish. She
said that most of them had been through RCIA. When I asked her if these members were receiving
counsel regarding the sin of engaging in homosexual
sex, she seemed evasive and just said "it
wasn't our place to judge them." She
said
"if someone was following God in every
other area of (his or her) life, but was only
sinning in this one area, then God would probably
let them in to Heaven anyway."
This violates everything I've ever learned
in church about homosexual sex. A passage I read clearly states that a homosexual
person can enter the kingdom of God if (he or she)
repents of the sin of active homosexuality,
however, someone who lives an active homosexual
life cannot enter the kingdom of God. My RCIA instructor told me
"Even sexually
active homosexuals would probably get into
Heaven." As her defense, she simply
said that "God was merciful, and wouldn't
send someone to Hell for having homosexual
sex, since homosexuals are all born that way."
What's going on here?
On a couple minor issues, my local Catholic
Church is noisy. very noisy;
much noisier than most Protestant churches
I've attended. This past Sunday, I wanted
to sit in the pew, meditate and pray before
Mass, but I couldn't. The sanctuary was simply
too noisy. People were talking, laughing,
walking and running around; children were
playing in the aisles. No one seemed to care.
Even the priest was standing at the rear of
the sanctuary talking to a group of people.
It was so noisy,
I couldn't think straight, much less pray.
I ended up leaving right before Mass started.
When I asked my instructor about this, she
didn't seem to care. She said
"it
just showed that the people at the parish
were friendly and cared about each other."
I can see her point, but it was extremely
distracting. The silent atmosphere of reverence
is something I've always found beautiful and
attractive in the Catholic Church, and I was
disappointed to find it absent in my local
parish.
Finally, every time I've been to Mass at this
parish, the Eucharist has always been sitting
out in the hallway, on a folding table next
to the main entrance.
Am I wrong, or is this considered to be
disrespectful?
I'd appreciate any comments you have on this.
Thanks.
Scott
{
Are my RCIA instructor's views Catholic and what happened to the atmosphere of reverence in Church? }
Eric
replied:
Dear Scott,
You said: Our (RCIA) Rite of Christian Initiation for
Adults instructor has told me several
things that really bother me. She told me "divorce
was OK for basically any reason".
She said
"if a person finds they
simply don't love their spouse anymore, they
(the leaders at the parish) would counsel
the person to get a divorce from the state
and an annulment from the Vatican."
I understand getting a divorce if your spouse
commits adultery, or is abusing you, but not
simply because: "I don't love (him|her)
anymore." That doesn't seem like
a Christian attitude to me, and I've always
been taught in my Baptist church that the
only valid reasons for divorce are adultery
and abuse. I thought the Catholic Church was
very strict on divorces and annulments.
Was I wrong?
Has the Church loosened its restrictions
on the requirements necessary to validly
end a marriage?
I've always admired the Catholic Church's
teachings on marriage, or at least what I
thought were its teachings on marriage.
First of all
your RCIA instructor is just totally
out of line. At this stage, I would
not believe anything she says about
what the Church teaches. I am ashamed
and embarrassed as a Catholic, to
hear she has been admitted to such
a position.
A few clarifications are in order:
Annulments are usually granted
by the diocese. Possibly, in rare
cases, a denial of an annulment
might be appealed to the Vatican,
who might then grant it, but the
Vatican does not see 99.9% of
annulment requests.
There is a distinction between
{divorce} and {divorce and remarriage}.
Catholicism allows civil divorce
in certain circumstances, but
it does not believe that divorce
ends a valid, sacramental marriage,
and so She does not permit remarriage
after a divorce when a marriage
is valid.
An annulment — properly
called a "declaration of
nullity" — declares
that what appeared to be a marriage,
was in fact defective from the
beginning on some essential point,
and so
it was never, in fact, a valid
marriage. For example:
if it was between two
cousins, or
one of the spouses was
coerced into it, or
the spouses agreed beforehand
to have no children, or
there was some sort of
psychological defect on
the part of one of the spouses,
that rendered their consent
invalid or prevented them
from truly entering into
marriage.
I can't really answer whether
the Church has "loosened
its restrictions", but I
will point out there is the theory,
and there is the practice. It
is well-known that Rome is not
happy about the number of annulments
granted in the United States. Just because
there are restrictions, it doesn't
guarantee they will always be
followed. Another point is that
our society is in such a shape
that attitudes and behaviors that
violate the principles of marriage
are rampant. I mentioned above
that if you go into a marriage
not intending to have children,
that marriage is invalid, and
an annulment would be straightforward.
Also, for Catholics, if you do
not get married in a Catholic
church with the permission of
the bishop, your marriage is invalid.
Think of how many marriages fall
into that category.
A marriage is also invalid if
you do not believe it is for life.
That's another regrettable large
proportion of marriages. Think
of how many secularized people
have no idea what Christian marriage
is truly about — that can
affect the validity of their marriages.
So in point of fact, in our country,
there are a lot of legitimate
reasons to qualify for an annulment.
Of course, to prevent these invalid
marriages from happening in the
first place, we should do a better
job at teaching the true nature
of marriage. The number of annulments
is scandalous, whether they are
legitimate or dubious.
You said: Our RCIA director also addressed the issue
of abortion. She told me
"if
a female parishioner came to either her or
the priest after discovering that she was
unexpectedly pregnant, and was seeking counsel
about abortion, they would instruct her to
follow her own conscience in the matter."
This
especially bothers me, because abortion has
been rejected by the Church down through the
centuries. Most Protestant denominations
also reject abortion as well. I cannot reconcile
the idea of getting an abortion with living
a Christian life. Abortion is a sin, and I
always thought the Catholic Church believed it was as well.
Again, was I wrong?
No, you were
not wrong. Of course, the Catholic
Church has been one of the strongest
voices against abortion in our culture.
Of course such a woman should be
discouraged from having an abortion,
and offered alternatives.
Your RCIA director
is grossly abusing a Catholic principle
that is frequently, but incorrectly,
cited in these situations. It is
Catholic teaching that you must always
obey your conscience, even when it
is objectively wrong. (See Catechism
#1800.) However, she is wrongly
interpreting this to mean that you
are free to do whatever you feel
is right. Your conscience is the
voice inside your head that warns
you when you are about to either:
do something wrong, or
not
do something right.
It reminds you
of the moral law when you are about
to violate it.
For example,
you are surfing the web and an ad
for a pornography site unexpectedly
pops up.
You are curious and start toward
the link, but a voice inside reminds
you it's wrong, and you have no business
going there. That's your conscience.
Or you're walking along, and see
somebody collapse on the sidewalk.
You tell yourself it's none of your
business, but a voice reminds you
that you need to help the person.
Conscience is not to be equated with
your personal opinion. Conscience
has to be properly formed, that is,
it has to learn the truth. Your RCIA director is seriously neglecting
her Christian duty, by failing to
inform such a person about the truth
that abortion is wrong.
Once you tell them that, then
they can make their decision,
but how can they make the correct
decision if they don't know the
truth?
The Catechism says,
I. Moral Life and the Magisterium of the Church.
.
.
2039 . . . .At the same
time the conscience of each person
should avoid confining itself to
individualistic considerations in
its moral judgments of the person's
own acts. As far as possible conscience
should take account of the good of
all, as expressed in the moral law,
natural and revealed, and consequently
in the law of the Church and in the
authoritative teaching of the Magisterium
on moral questions. Personal conscience
and reason should not be set in opposition to the moral law or the Magisterium
of the Church.
You said: In addition, she told me that there are several
active homosexual members of the parish. She
said that most of them had been through RCIA. When I asked her if these members were receiving
counsel regarding the sin of engaging in homosexual
sex, she seemed evasive and just said "it
wasn't our place to judge them." She
said
"if someone was following God in every
other area of (his or her) life, but was only
sinning in this one area, then God would probably
let them in to Heaven anyway."
This violates everything I've ever learned
in church about homosexual sex.
Well, yeah.
Your RCIA director is a full-fledged
dissenter. She does not believe or
teach the Catholic faith; that much
is clear.
If you want to know what the Church
teaches about homosexuality, read
Letter
to the Bishops of the Catholic
Church on the Pastoral Care
of Homosexual Persons.
[Vatican]|[EWTN]
2357 Homosexuality refers to relations
between men or between women who
experience an exclusive or predominant
sexual attraction toward persons
of the same sex. It has taken
a great variety of forms through
the centuries and in different
cultures. Its psychological genesis
remains largely unexplained. Basing
itself on Sacred Scripture, which
presents homosexual acts as acts
of grave depravity, (cf. Genesis 19:1-29; Romans 1:24-27; 1 Corinthians 6:10; 1 Timothy 1:10) tradition
has always declared that homosexual
acts are intrinsically disordered.(Congregation for the Doctrine of the faith, Persona humana 8) They are contrary to the natural
law. They close the sexual act
to the gift of life. They do not
proceed from a genuine affective
and sexual complementarity. Under
no circumstances can they be approved.
2358 The number of men and women
who have deep-seated homosexual
tendencies is not negligible.
This inclination, which is objectively
disordered, constitutes for most
of them a trial. They must be
accepted with respect, compassion,
and sensitivity. Every sign of
unjust discrimination in their
regard should be avoided. These
persons are called to fulfill
God's will in their lives and,
if they are Christians, to unite
to the sacrifice of the Lord's
Cross the difficulties they may
encounter from their condition.
2359 Homosexual persons are called
to chastity. By the virtues of
self-mastery that teach them inner
freedom, at times by the support
of disinterested friendship, by
prayer and sacramental grace, they can and should gradually
and resolutely approach Christian
perfection.
You said: A passage I read clearly states that a homosexual
person can enter the kingdom of God if (he or she)
repents of the sin of active homosexuality,
however, someone who lives an active homosexual
life cannot enter the kingdom of God. My RCIA instructor told me
"Even sexually
active homosexuals would probably get into
Heaven." As her defense, she simply
said that "God was merciful, and wouldn't
send someone to Hell for having homosexual
sex, since homosexuals are all born that way."
What's going on here?
You are clearly right. Even if homosexuals
are all born that way, it does not
justify them committing homosexual
acts.
What if pedophiles are born that
way?
Are you going to let them fulfill
their desires as well?
There is also evidence that alcoholism
is genetic.
Shall we approve of alcoholics
going on self-destructive binges
simply because it's encoded in
their genes?
Believe me, I am sorely tempted to
ask you what parish this is and call
the pastor and give him a piece of
my mind about your RCIA director. :-) I
don't think that will help you, though.
The fact that you are hearing this
is utterly deplorable. Basically,
disregard everything she says. (In
fact, I would document it, and then once
you are received into the Church,
report it to the pastor, and if he
doesn't take action, to the bishop.)
I would just urge you to find more
reliable sources to learn from.
I highly recommend it. Alan
Schreck's catechism is another
good one, if you don't find the
Catholic Catechism readable enough; Peter
Kreeft has one too. I haven't
read it, but I'd trust anything
he wrote. John Hardon wrote
one that I would consider
reliable, but I have no idea whether
it is exceptional or not.
You said: On a couple minor issues, my local Catholic
Church is noisy. very noisy;
much noisier than most Protestant churches
I've attended. This past Sunday, I wanted
to sit in the pew, meditate and pray before
Mass, but I couldn't. The sanctuary was simply
too noisy. People were talking, laughing,
walking and running around; children were
playing in the aisles. No one seemed to care.
Even the priest was standing at the rear of
the sanctuary talking to a group of people.
It was so noisy, I couldn't think straight, much less pray.
I ended up leaving right before Mass started.
When I asked my instructor about this, she
didn't seem to care. She said
"it
just showed that the people at the parish
were friendly and cared about each other."
I can see her point, but it was extremely
distracting. The silent atmosphere of reverence
is something I've always found beautiful and
attractive in the Catholic Church, and I was
disappointed to find it absent in my local
parish.
You are right that a church should
be a place of reverence and quiet
so that people can pray.
Given your pastor's choice of RCIA director, it does not surprise me
that there is a lack of reverence
or recollection in the parish.
You said: Finally, every time I've been to Mass at this
parish, the Eucharist has always been sitting
out in the hallway, on a folding table next
to the main entrance.
Am I wrong, or is this considered to be
disrespectful?
Are you sure this Eucharist was
consecrated?
It sounds to me that what you are
seeing is the unconsecrated bread
that will be brought up during the
Presentation of the Gifts. If it
was in an open container and next
to a flask of wine, it was probably
unconsecrated. Watch next time you
go to Mass, right after the Prayers
of the Faithful. See if they take
that bread up to the priest.
I am sorry to hear that your local
parish is such an awful witness to
the Catholic faith. Don't be discouraged.
Perhaps you can find a better parish,
or even a nearby monastery that is
more true to the Catholic faith.
Look at the materials published by
organizations such as: