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Rebecca
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Hi, guys —
My mother, a devout Roman Catholic, asked me today if I plan
to baptize my infant son.
When I told her No she got extremely upset. I told her that I intend to teach
my son about all different belief systems, including that of
his grandparents, and figured he could choose the path that's
right for him, as I have. Even though I don't share my mom's
religious beliefs, I do understand how important her faith
is to her.
- Would it be possible for my mother to get my son baptized
as a Catholic without requiring my participation?
Baptism may not hold any meaning for me but it would mean
the world to her. I would certainly be willing to attend the
ceremony and be as supportive as I can but I have no intention
of making any statements promising to raise my son Catholic
or agreeing to anything else pertaining to the religion. I
would leave it up to my mom to teach him everything about her faith
and to take him to Masses, religious education classes, etc.
- Would that be allowed?
- Are there any rules/regulations I need to be aware of
regarding Baptism?
- Do a child's parents have to be practicing Catholics for
him to be baptized as a Catholic?
- Would I have to attend preparation classes or would the
person initiating this sacrament be the one who needs to do this?
- Any advice regarding this situation would be extremely helpful.
If this scenario is impossible, could you give me any suggestions
on how to break the news to my mom and help ease her mind about
the situation (i.e. Don't worry dear, the baby won't go to Hell.)?
Thanks in advance for your input!
Sincerely,
Rebecca
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Mary Ann replied:
Dear Rebecca,
I admire your concern to spare your mother's feelings but really, your mother is
not concerned with feelings at all. She is concerned with the spiritual protection
and eternal salvation of your son.
I gather from your remarks that
the path you have chosen, the path that you think is right for you, is
a path of non-belief or non-Christian belief. If you truly believed any particular
thing to be true, as a good mother, you would teach that truth to your child, and
enable your child to participate in it. That said, you must be a relativist: someone
who believes that there is no absolute truth.
Moral relativism is workable only because as a society we are
still operating a little bit on the basis of moral absolutes (that
there are things that are right and wrong, true and not true, no matter
what).
Once moral and philosophical relativism take hold, gradually there is no
more guarantee in society for anyone's rights because it is only the strong
who decide:
- what must be done, and
- what must not be done.
Right now, in the little
society of your family, you are the strong one able to decide:
- whether
or not your child gets immunizations (within some control by the state)
- whether your child is educated or not
- whether your child has a good
diet or not
- whether your child has exercise
- whether your child has
good or bad playmates
Some things are good and necessary for development,
and some aren't. If you give your child no particular diet and no exercise
as he is growing up and tell him that when he is grown he can decide
on his own diet and decide whether or not to be an athlete, you have stacked
the deck and actually made it difficult or impossible for your child
to choose good food or be an athlete. That is the perspective your mom
is coming from.
The question for her, and for you, is not whether Baptism has meaning
for you or for her but what is the meaning of Baptism in itself. I would
like to suggest that you get a book called, Handbook
of Christian Apologetics, of whom Peter Kreeft is a co-author, to investigate these very important
matters (arguments for and against God, morality, Christianity, and Catholicism).
It presents the arguments against belief even better than most non-believers
could do. It is good to be very well-informed on these matters before
making such a serious decision because of the serious consequences of
being wrong.
As to your question:
Your child may not be baptized without your consent and without the
Church having a reasonable expectation that you would raise the child
Catholic. In order for her to have that expectation, you would have to
be on your way into Catholicism, at least, and also take some preparation
classes about Baptism.
Catholics know that Christ said that Baptism is necessary for salvation.
He also said faith is necessary for salvation. He also said that the nations — the pagans, the uncircumcised of the time, the unbaptized — would be judged,
with us, on the charity of their lives. (feeding the hungry, etc.) The
Church has taught since the beginning, even in the New Testament, that people
of good conscience can be saved without Baptism, as they follow the light
God gives them and live according to the natural moral law (which
is enshrined in nearly every law code from the dawn of law codes: no murder,
lying, stealing, adultery, etc.). The problem is that it is difficult to see this
light and to follow it without God's help. Baptism gives the help.
As for babies, they are baptized because of the faith of their parents
and the supernatural powers they receive enable them to have faith and
live the faith as they grow — and living the faith is really living out
the relationship of an adopted child of God, who truly shares God's divine
nature because of the effects of the indwelling of the Trinity in the person.
The shorthand for this sharing is sanctifying grace.
If children
are unbaptized, they lack these gifts, and the protection from the Evil
One that they bring. They also lack the belonging to the Communion
of Saints, and all the help and assistance they give us. However,
the Spirit blows where He wills, Christ said, and God loves and wants to
save all people. Your mother's prayers will follow your son
to the end of his life.
I trust that God will grant His grace to your son
some day and I hope that your son will accept it at that time so that
he can know the fullness of joy and life that comes from God in Christ
by the power of the Holy Spirit.
Mary Ann
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Mike replied:
Hi Rebecca,
In line with what my colleague Mary Ann has said, I'd refer you to a similar posting
I answered along with my colleague Eric:
Hope this helps,
Mike
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Rebecca replied:
Dear Mike and Mary Ann,
Thank you so much for your responses. You both gave me much to think about.
Mary Ann,
You wrote:
If you truly believed any particular
thing to be true, as a good mother, you would teach that truth to your child, and
enable your child to participate in it.
.
.
If you give your child no particular diet and no exercise
as he is growing up and tell him that when he is grown he can decide
on his own diet and decide whether or not to be an athlete, you have stacked
the deck and actually made it difficult or impossible for your child
to choose good food or be an athlete.
I do intend to teach my child about my beliefs and raise him with my
values. Many people belong to a particular religion simply out of family tradition.
This is how they were raised and this is what they are expected to believe
in. To question this, would be blasphemous, as many people view their own religious
beliefs to be the only one true path. I intend to educate my child about different
belief systems, which is something most organized religions don't usually encourage.
To use the food analogy, as you did, I believe that by only teaching my son
about one belief system, and telling him that this is the only one he can be
a part of, would be like telling him that he can only eat broccoli. Sure, broccoli
is good for you.
- It's full of wonderful vitamins and minerals, fiber, and antioxidants
but how nourished would he actually be if that's all his being is allowed?
- What about the benefits of introducing other nutritional elements to his diet?
Without exercise, my son would surely never become an athlete but if I were
to only encourage him to play football, he may never become the Olympic swimmer
he was meant to be and his body built for. I will have to discuss your statements
with my mother and see if this does indeed accurately reflect the perspective
she's coming from. This might be the just the springboard I needed for a deep,
meaningful exchange with her.
In response to your statement:
That said, you must be a relativist:
- Why would you assume that since I'm not a Catholic, I must be a relativist?
One of my steadfast beliefs is in the cultivation of moral excellence and I
am deeply concerned with the moral education of my son, and all children.
As I'm sure you could tell, I have great love and deep respect for my mother.
I agree with your statement:
She is concerned with the spiritual protection and eternal salvation of your
son.
I will check out the book you recommended reading: Handbook
of Christian Apologetics.
I will inform my mom about the Catholic Church's expectations for me to convert
to Catholicism and raise my son in the Catholic faith in order for him to receive
the sacrament of Baptism.
I will also tell her that you wrote that Christ said
that the unbaptized will be judged on the charity of their lives and that the
Church teaches that people of good conscience can be saved without Baptism.
Perhaps this will comfort her to some degree. If God has a plan for us all,
then he has one for my son as well.
Mary Ann, I thank you again for sharing your wisdom.
Sincerely,
Rebecca
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Eric replied:
Rebecca,
I think Mary Ann assumed that you were a relativist, not because you were
not a Catholic but, because you are dead set against acknowledging any
one religion as true.
You said:
I intend to educate my child about different
belief systems, which is something most organized religions don't usually encourage.
While
it is good to educate your child about many belief systems (in the sense
that one might educate one's child about wrong ideas as well as right ones),
you then compared different belief systems to different sports, in which
there is no one right sport except the one that is right for you.
Relativism
is defined as:
A view that theories where what is right and good are
relative in that ethical truths depend upon the individuals and groups
holding them so that what is considered right and good by one person
or group may be considered wrong and bad by another.
You seem to hold
that no one religion is fundamentally and universally more right than every
other, which corresponds to this definition of relativism. So the conclusion
is not, I assure you, based on the fact that you are non-Catholic.
Eric
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Mary Ann replied:
Rebecca,
You are so right that God has a plan for us, and that many people follow
a belief system solely out of programming and of course there
are many foods and many forms of exercise . . .
But are there many truths?
- Is it true that you can eat a good balanced diet and be healthy, and
also true that you can eat an unbalanced diet and be healthy?
- Is it true
that you can have balanced exercise and be strong, and also true that
you can do no exercise and be strong?
I wasn't referring to this or that
true thing. All religions have some truth in them but they all contradict
each other about many things, or there would be no choosing between them.
I didn't conclude you were a relativist because you were not Catholic,
not at all. Most people nowadays are relativists.
Relativism is the belief
that there is only subjective truth, i.e. there is truth which
is true
for me and
something else which can be true for you. This sort of truth doesn't
work in science or math, and it doesn't work with reality. With religion,
either God spoke or He didn't. So the question is:
I gather that there is no one true path; that all religions
are equally valid. That is moral relativism and ultimately it is a position
that is only possible because deep down, one really does hold to a belief
system, thanks to the fact that God implanted one
in us, which men have
always called the law of nature.
Without a God, there is no good reason
to follow any belief system. Without God's Word, there is no reason to
choose one over another. So the task becomes finding out if and when
God spoke, and what He said. It becomes a search
for Truth, not a search
for what I like best.
The only reason I am being so forthright
about this is that it may help you understand and appreciate where your
mom is coming from. For her (and in reality), life has a goal, and you
reach it or you don't. If you are on the right path you can reach
it, and if you aren't on the right path you can get seriously hurt and
maybe not reach it. You can reach the goal from almost anywhere, if your
inner GPS is oriented to the goal and you follow it, but one has to:
- believe
in a goal and the GPS system to do even that
- have the juice to turn
it on, and
- have the juice to follow it.
It is safer, more fulfilling,
and easier, to follow God's Plan (as you said) than it is to make up
our own.
I know you are a good mom and I wish you the best.
Mary Ann
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Rebecca's friend, Amy wrote:
Dear Mike,
I am writing you this e-mail in response to my friend Rebecca who sent you
an e-mail earlier in March regarding having her son baptized, with her mother
as the main participant. She is a dear friend of mine and I feel compelled
to put my two cents in. Thank you, in advance for reading my e-mail.
I'm not sure if my background is relevant but:
- I was baptized when I was three months old
- raised a Catholic with very high
moral standards from my parents, and
- received my First Communion.
We went
to church as a family up until I was around 13 or so. At that time, my sisters
and I started baby sitting Saturday evenings, and there were things said in
church that were anti-military (my father was in the Army
reserves at the time). That was one of a few reasons why my parents stopped attending church.
None of us were ever confirmed.
Fast forward to today. I am now 36 years old and attend a non-denominational Christian
church very regularly. We have excellent speakers. It's a large church. I am
the only one in my family who attends church. I go by myself as
my husband is just
not that into it for lack of a better term, although he did insist
we get married in a church. God does surprise us, sometimes more often than
we are aware.
My husband and I are in the process of trying to have a baby and I have been
wondering what would I do.
- What are my thoughts about Baptism, Godparents, and
so forth?
- What does the church I go to do?
A few interesting facts I have
since discovered. There isn't any mention of a baby being baptized in the Scriptures.
It's adults that receive that privilege and it's also a full immersion Baptism,
not a sprinkling of holy water. Jesus himself wasn't baptized until he was
30! My church does a full immersion baptism, when the individual has gone
through classes and has written a personal acceptance of Jesus Christ essay
and reads it aloud in public, prior to the event.
So, it seems the Catholics started doing things, a certain way, zillions of
years ago and their Biblical basis is not honestly
clear. It's just become their way of doing it.
- If you have a religion-based on the Bible and Scripture, why aren't they following that information?
I have absolutely nothing against the Catholic faith but it is clear to me
that something has caused their parishes and numbers to dwindle. I have been
saddened by some of the things that have come out from the Pope and the Vatican
on issues like condoms and evolution but that's an
entirely different question/e-mail and discussion.
I really think my friend Rebecca was merely looking for yes or no answers in
regards to whether or not her ideas were allowed or would be considered. She
wasn't looking for a defensive reaction regarding religious views. If you have
to defend something or accuse someone of being something they are not, well
then, there's a bigger picture you are missing.
Please feel free to share this with your colleague Mary Ann Parks.
Sincerely,
Amy Van Boxtel
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Eric replied:
Amy,
I appreciate your zeal but your friends have misled you about what Scripture
teaches. You need to read it more deeply and not just believe whatever
they tell you it says. Read the whole thing for yourself.
First of all, Scripture calls Baptism the circumcision of Christ (Colossians
2:11). Since circumcision was the rite performed on Jewish male infants
to admit them into the covenant, likewise Baptism should be performed on
infants.
Second of all, all people are sentenced to eternal death owing to Adam's
sin, adult or child (Romans 5:12-19). The way out of this is Baptism (Romans
6:4-11). It is by participating, through Baptism, in Christ's Death and
Resurrection that we are saved. Now let me ask you a question. You believe
that children under the age of reason are automatically saved.
Where is
this proven in Scripture?
I don't mean the vague and wishful let
the little children come to me (which equally could be used to prove
that children can be baptized) but something solid.
You can't find it, because
it isn't there.
Third of all, you'll note the pattern in Acts is for whole households
to be baptized when the head of the household believed:
- without regard
for whether the rest of the members of the family believed, or
- whether they
were adults or not (Acts 16:33, Acts 1:16).
Part of the difference in what you believe from us on this topic is that
you see Baptism merely as a public declaration of faith, whereas Scripture
sees it as a life-giving participation in the Passion, Death, and Resurrection
of Christ (Romans 6), a regeneration of the inner man (Titus 3:5).
For
us, it's being reborn into the faith (John 3:5) — being born of water
and spirit and the Father declaring us his sons and daughters, just as
Christ was when he was baptized.
You are hung up on infant baptism because
you mistakenly think Baptism is just a profession of faith but that's
not what Scripture teaches.
- By the way, if Baptism is a profession of faith,
why does it not say so in Scripture? and
- Why did Philip baptize the Ethiopian
eunuch in private, apart from a believing community (Acts 8:34-36)?
- How do
you explain that, since he wasn't professing it to anyone?
We see evidence in the very Early Church that they baptized infants, even
in the second and third centuries:
I urge you to have an open mind on this and see what Scripture really teaches. Search our
Knowledge base under Infant Baptism (or just baptism) for more information,
or see
Infant Baptism
Hope this helps,
Eric
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