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Brenda
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Hi, guys —
- I'm confused about the doctrine of Purgatory. Is it a place, say like Heaven or Hell?
- Or is it a state of being?
I've read conflicting descriptions. While the
Catechism describes it as purification, it doesn't say whether it is a state or a
place.
- If it's a state of being, then just exactly where are the
souls of the departed?
- How does Baptism relate to Purgatory?
- Does God send people to Purgatory, or, is it something
we bring upon ourselves?
Thanks! Sorry if these questions have been already answered.
I couldn't find them in your knowledge base.
God Bless,
Brenda
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Is Purgatory a state or permanent place, like Heaven or Hell, and is it motivated by God or us? }
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John replied:
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Hi Brenda,
Trying to completely define a mystery of faith is not an easy task.
Dogmatically speaking, the Church holds that Purgatory exists, that
the souls in Purgatory suffer as they are purified, and that the
living can pray for the souls in Purgatory as they can pray for us.
That said, different models have been used to describe Purgatory
along with Heaven and Hell. Now remember, human beings are limited
by the three dimensional universe we perceive so we think in terms of
places, and we also think in terms of time, as we know it and understand
it.
But God invented both time and space. Hence, Heaven, Hell, and Purgatory
are not limited by the same time-space continuum we experience. So
we grasp to explain mysteries that are revealed. Often times, in our
efforts in doing so, our explanations fall short or lead to misunderstandings.
Purgatory, Heaven and Hell, can all be both places and conditions.
Time is relative because we are talking about eternity.
The best explanation I’ve heard, and again this falls under
theological opinion and not doctrine, goes as follows:
God is love. God loves all souls. The souls, completely free of
worldly attachments, are free to experience God's love in its full
ecstasy. That would be Heaven.
Those who die in friendship of God, but not having achieved the
selfless love God calls us to, also experience God’s love.
They still experience joy, but they also experience pain, because
God’s love is like a burning fire that burns away the last
traces of selfishness. The pain is a healing pain.
Those who reject God still experience God’s love, but it
is a source of anguish and pain, because they’ve closed themselves
off to God. God loves them no less than He loves those in Heaven,
but the greater the sinner, the greater the love that causes them anguish.
Whether this is:
- all one place, or
- three places with Purgatory being limited by time
— these are all mysteries. Several great
minds under the guidance of Holy Mother Church have put forth different
ideas.
We do know that the need for Purgatory ends with return of the Lord,
so Purgatory does have a temporal limitation in terms of its existence but whether or not the soul is there for one second or one century
is conjecture. The important thing to know is that it purifies, and
since it stands outside of time as we know it, our prayers assist
all those in Purgatory.
John DiMascio
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Mary
Ann replied:
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Hi Brenda,
The children's Catechism used to say Purgatory is:
"a place or state of being. . ."
Purgatory is something that happens! Because the soul
is spiritual, Purgatory is an event or process that is
not confined to our experience of space and time, which
are properties of matter. However, since the soul is
oriented to the body, there is probably some way in which
the departed soul is still connected to the material
world, and thus may experience some aspect of space and
time. So, yes and no — as the wise old Catechism said, "a
place or state of being."
Purgatory is required by God's holiness and by our
imperfection so it is necessitated by our sins and faults,
not something God decides to send us to, or not. Rather,
it is a process that we realize we need to undergo. Purgatory
is generally thought of as the anteroom of Heaven, the
place where you are given your wedding garment if you
don't arrive with one. It was sometimes conceived as
the highest point of Hell, but if Hell is the abode of
the damned, and those in Purgatory are not damned but
rather are assured of salvation, then of course Purgatory
belongs to Heaven.
C.S. Lewis imagined that Purgatory was the purifying
effect of Paradise upon us. He conceived of Heaven as
so real, so intensely beautiful and good, that it is
painful to the imperfect soul, much as bright light hurts
the eyes of people long in darkness. However we want
to imagine it, the important thing is that love covers
a multitude of sins on this earth, and it is far easier
to grow in charity on this earth, than to be purified
passively in Purgatory.
Purgatory is a work of God's mercy, and a cause for
joy.
Hope this helps,
Mary Ann
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Mike replied:
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Hi, Brenda —
For other readers of this posting, this is what the Catechism of the Catholic Church states on the issue:
III. The Final Purification, Or Purgatory
1030 All who die in God's grace and friendship, but still imperfectly purified, are indeed assured of their eternal salvation; but after death they undergo purification, so as to achieve the holiness necessary to enter the joy of heaven.
1031 The Church gives the name Purgatory to this final purification of the elect, which is entirely different from the punishment of the damned. The Church formulated her doctrine of faith on Purgatory especially at the Councils of Florence and Trent. The tradition of the Church, by reference to certain texts of Scripture, speaks of a cleansing fire:
As for certain lesser faults, we must believe that, before the Final Judgment, there is a purifying fire. He who is truth says that whoever utters blasphemy against the Holy Spirit will be pardoned neither in this age nor in the age to come. From this sentence we understand that certain offenses can be forgiven in this age, but certain others in the age to come.
St. Gregory the Great, Dial. 4,39:PL 77,396; cf. Matthew 12:31.
Mike
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