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 Lynn
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		       | Hi, guys —
 I have been having a discussion with some good-willed Catholics.
                          One participant mentioned the dilemma of being asked to attend
                          a gay couple's civil ceremony.
 
I was of the mind that she shouldn't attend. She is
                                  of the mind that she should, to show her friendship and support.  Please help. I have googled until I can't google anymore!  This is something
                             more and more people are faced with, even in their own families.
 Thank
                          you so much for an answer and some input.
 
     Why is this not addressed
                            somewhere yet?  Thanks, 
 Lynn
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               | { 
				 Should I attend a gay couple's civil ceremony? } |  
| 
 Bob replied:
 
    
      
      | Lynn,
 There is no declaration on this matter that I know of at the moment. I
                                imagine it is only a matter of time, but I think common sense can prevail,
                                especially with reference to mores and dictums of the past.
 
 It used to be common that Catholics could not attend certain marriage rites
                                because they were considered illicit and the act of being present was
                                considered condoning the union. While that restriction has softened, the
                                principle, nevertheless, remains. Your presence is taken by those present
                                as support not only of the individuals, but of their union.
                                A guest is, in a sense, ratifying the event. We would hold a politician
                                accountable for attending a KKK rally as a supporter if he
                                had no other excuse for his presence. e.g. he was a reporter, delivering pizza,
                                etc.
 
 I can attest from my own personal experience as a first hand witness, that
                                this is a cultural crisis that is sweeping across our society. This year,
                                for the first time in my many years of musicianship, I came to a wedding
                                reception to play for the event, and did not know it was a gay marriage
                                until I got there. I was totally shocked, but not by the brides so
                                much as by the vast crowd that was completely immersed in the jubilation
                                of the occasion — as much as any straight marriage. It was
                                a telling testament to the victory the homosexual community has achieved
                                in the culture war. We have bought it hook, line, and sinker. I felt deeply
                                out of place, that there was no one — not even in the band — that
                                shared my conviction that this was wrong.
 For a moment I imagined what
                                it was like for the early Christians to live within the Roman culture,
                                whose mores were so vastly corrupted, and yet stand on their convictions
                                and Faith and eventually win the culture battle. I thought: 
Am I up to
                                  this task? What is God asking of me? What is he asking of you?  Christians
                                will all be called to give an account of their faith, not merely in word,
                                but in action. 
 If people do not begin to vote with their conscience and their feet,
                                this tsunami will be unstoppable and will take the entire nation. I would
                                advise your friend not to go, period.
 Her presence gives credence to
                                the event, which in the eyes of God is an abomination. A strong word,
                                yes, but a grave distortion of His order and plan. It is an insult to
                                God, (remember Sodom and Gomorrah), and friends of the Lord owe
                                it to Him to make His Will known.
 I hope your friend gives this more serious thought, the battle is on
                                and we can't afford any more retreats.
 
 Peace,
 Bob Kirby |  
   Mary Ann replied: 
   
    
      
      | Hi Lynn, 
Would a Catholic support a marriage of a brother and a sister?Of a man
          and his mother? <No!>  There is no such thing as a marriage of a man and a
     man, or a woman and a woman. 
Why would someone go to support something
          that is a lie, and, moreover, is destructive to civil society and to marriage?Why? To not make people feel bad?  Since when is: 
feeling bad feeling
                                  supportive, or not feeling any negativity from others about our
                                  choices have anything to do with morality
                                or even with rational decision-making? 
 Mary Ann |  
   Mike replied: 
   
    
      
      | Lynn — I'd like to send out extra kudos for great answers from both Bob and Mary
     Ann.
 You should not go. Just your presence, whether you mean it or not, is saying:
 
      I am witnessing and approving  this so-called marriage.  when there is no marriage. Marriage is a Catholic Christian term that the homosexual culture has stolen from Christianity and has bastardized a new definition of so-called marriage, which is not marriage at all. 
 Two men cannot bring forth new life solely by unifying  themselves. Two women cannot bring forth new life solely by unifying  themselves. 
      A man's body was designed for a women's body.A woman's body was designed for a man's body.
 
 Talk to any normal doctor about the biochemical physiological
                                  made-up of a man and woman. He will tell you there is a physiological  complementarity between
                                  the sexes.
  These are the reasons our United States government has
                                always given special privileges to traditional marriages: 
Because
                                  the Judeo-Christian families gives back to society children to stabilize
                                  and improve the Christian culture  our country was founded on. (Christopher
                                  Columbus, who founded America, was a Catholic.) 
     Gay unions cannot give back new life..  As a music group, Wayne Fontana and the
                                Mindbenders, said back in the 60's in their 
                                number-one hit song, the Game of
                                Love: 
     
          | The purpose of a man is to love a woman, And the purpose of a woman is to love a man,
 So come on baby let's start today, come on baby let's play
 The game of love, love, la la la la la love
 It started long ago in the Garden of Eden When Adam said to Eve, baby, you're for me
 So come on baby let's start today, come on baby let's play
 The game of love, love, la la la la la love
 Come on baby 'cause the time is rightLove your daddy with all your might
 Put your arms around me, hold me tight
 Play the game of love
 
 {Refrain}The purpose of a man is to love a woman,
 |  and Jesus echoes their view in the Scriptures: 
     Now when Jesus had finished these sayings, he went
          away from Galilee and entered the region of Judea beyond
          the Jordan; and large crowds followed him, and he healed
          them there. And Pharisees came up to him and tested him
          by asking, "Is it lawful to divorce one's wife for
          any cause?" He answered, 
          
          
               "Have you not read
               that he who made them from the beginning made them male
               and female, and said, `For this reason a man shall leave
               his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and the
               two shall become one flesh'? So they are no longer two
               but one flesh. What therefore God has joined together,
               let not man put asunder."
          (Matthew 19:1-6) Hope this helps,
 Mike
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   Lynn replied: 
   
   
   
   | Thank you very much for
                                your replies.  Each one expressed what I have shared on the group. I also added
                                many Scriptural references to no avail. The Scripture references she gave were
                                apple/oranges and invalid for our topic. She retreated, stating that she was
                                being judged (although I affirmed her many times in my
                                postings; decidedly separating the topic from any personal judgment.)
 I had two counselors tell me that they knew better because they were counselors.
                                It's sad because these people are not liberal. They are mostly
                                devout. This is what upset me the most.
 The participants that agreed: a person
                                shouldn't attend something of this nature remained quiet, then coddled the poster
                                that retreated. This was upsetting because it's one thing to see this type of
                                immaturity amongst dissenters, but these guys are great people! 
 I hope the Church speaks up in the near future. Her children are ignorant and
                                in great need of answers and help!
 
 Thanks again,
 
 Lynn
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