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Jordan M. Jacobs wrote:

Hi, guys —

I was born and raised Catholic but was never entirely familiar with the concept of the Trinity as the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. During a discussion with my girlfriend, a devout Catholic, she explained the concept of the Trinity to me and I realized there were inherent problems with the concept.

We arrived here by way of a discussion on the Immaculate Conception, which she stated was the conception of Mary, not of Jesus, because Mary was born without original sin, while Jesus was. The concept of the Trinity states that all three are the same Person, the same being, in different forms.

My question is this:

  • If Jesus, being God on Earth, was born with original sin, then that means (because they are all different forms of the same being) that God has original sin.

    God, however, is supposed to be infallible.

    Please explain this to me.

As a side note: I read your non-Christian believer statement at the beginning of your "Ask A Question" page. I will let you know right now that I will not portray myself as a believer. I am not. My experiences with devout Catholics have driven me from any possibility of reconciliation with the faith.

Thank you for your answer.

Jordan

  { If God was born with original sin, aren't there built-in problems in the Trinity since God is infallible? }

Eric replied:

Hi Jordan, thanks for writing.

You wrote:
We arrived here by way of discussion of the Immaculate Conception, which she stated was the conception of Mary, not of Jesus, because Mary was born without original sin, while Jesus was. The concept of the Trinity states that all three are the same person, the same being, in different forms. My question is this: If Jesus, being God on Earth, was born with original sin, then that means (because they are all different forms of the same being) that God has original sin. God, however, is supposed to be infallible. Please explain.

Let me try to clear up some of this confusion.

First of all, while your girlfriend is correct that the Immaculate Conception refers to the conception of Mary, she is not correct if she said that Jesus was born with original sin. He was not.

Jesus is without sin because He is God. God by definition cannot sin, nor can He have original sin, which is being deprived of the divine life of God, since He is the divine life of God. Note also that a being without sin is said to be impeccable, not infallible (which means teaching without error).

The Pope, for example, is infallible (when he teaches all Christians on a matter of faith and morals), but not impeccable, meaning he can sin.

Second, the concept of the Trinity states that there are three *Persons* in one being, God, each of which are co-equal and co-eternal. They are not different forms, but different Persons.

You wrote:
My experiences with devout Catholics have driven me from any possibility of reconciliation with the faith. Thank you for your answer.

I am sorry to hear that you had such negative experiences with devout Catholics. If you would like to share them I'd be happy to listen.

  • But can I ask, what do those experiences have to do with whether Christianity is true?

I assume these are believers behaving badly. People are still with sin. I promise you they will behave badly, even if they are believers. History attests to that.

  • Can a person who behaves badly cause an article of faith to not be so?
  • Does a person who fails to live out the faith thereby disprove the Truth of that faith?
  • Maybe you have been deeply hurt and, as a consequence, have difficulty reconciling yourself to the Truth; but deep down inside, do you really believe that these bad experiences disprove what Christianity claims to be the Truth?

Eric Ewanco

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