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John
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Hi, guys —
All indicators manifest a rupture in the natural
organic evolution of the Mass since Vatican II.
The leftist periti gained considerable control,
especially of the Liturgy, after the closure
of the valid Council, Vatican II. The Bugnini
Mass, the so-called "normative" Mass
used today, is being recognized forty years
after the fact as being a mistake and rupture
of Tradition.
Pope John Paul II saw it, and
our present Patriarch Good Pope Benedict XVI saw the rape and horrendous abuses of the
Sacred Liturgy since the close of Vatican
II. Pope Paul VI forced this abuse, the Novus Ordo
Mass, on the people, and this is one of the
prime reasons millions have either left the
Latin Catholic Church, or attend no church
whatsoever.
Pope Benedict XVI, I believe, will slowly
correct the blasphemies in the Liturgy since
the introduction of Pope Paul VI's Liturgy. I can see a universal indult and a revival
in the Roman Catholic Church with the return
of the Tridentine Mass. Millions seek it out.
Churches where the Mass of All Ages is celebrated,
are filled to overflow, while the Novus Ordo
Masses are half empty or half full. The cookie
Masses, clown Masses and dancy-prancy Masses
are over; the reform of the reform is coming.
I am a convert to Catholic Christendom. I
left the Protestant Anglican church to worship
in the true Church, only to find the Mass
radically changed and more Protestant than
Protestant.
- How do you address this reality I've run
into?
John A. Whincup
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Mike
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Hi John,
No one will deny
we have our share of problems in
the Church today.
Because we are a "human" family,
but let's step back a bit. This is
not the first time we have had problems
in the Church. We always have had
them and always will. The issue is:
- How
do we respond to the problems?
I believe by prayer and living a sacramental
life.
You said:
The leftist periti
gained considerable control, especially
of the Liturgy, after the closure
of the valid Council, Vatican II.
The Bugnini Mass, the so-called "normative" Mass
used today, is being recognized forty
years after the fact as being a mistake
and rupture of Tradition.
I disagree. Basically, what you are
saying is the Holy Spirit allowed
a "rupture of Sacred Tradition" within
the Church. How Holy Mass is said
is an issue of faith and morals.
The Holy Spirit is not sleeping while
the leftist periti are demonizing
the Church. And even if the leftist periti were demonizing the Church, on issues of faith and morals, Jesus promised His Church would not fail. Matthew 16:13-19. When I visited my Benedictine
friends at the Abbey, I remembered
stories of Popes that had planned
to define and declare immoral doctrines,
just to wake up the next day, dead
in their beds.
- Who do you think has more power:
the Holy Spirit or the leftist
periti?
You said:
I can see a universal
indult and a revival in the Roman
Catholic Church with the return of
the Tridentine Mass.
John, we have the Tridentine Mass in the
Church already. The problem:
not all bishops are allowing an indult
Mass in their diocese per Ecclesia Dei. If you have suggestions
on how we can persuade all US bishops
to allow at least one in each diocese,
I will post it on my web site!
You said:
I am a convert
to Catholic Christendom. I left the
Protestant Anglican church to worship
in the true Church, only to find
the Mass radically changed and more
Protestant than Protestant.
It may seem that way John, but it
isn't.
Because Anglican orders are invalid.
Only the Catholic Church can ensure
three things at the same time:
- Valid Apostolic Holy Orders.
- The Real Presence of Christ
in the Eucharist: Body, Blood,
Soul and Divinity, and
- A history of faithful members
that have been loyal to the Vicar
of Christ, St. Peter, since 33 A.D.
I am sure you have your personal
reasons for coming home. If you are
interested read my:
Take care, and if you have any other
questions, don't hesitate to ask
us.
Mike
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Mary
Ann replied:
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Dear John,
I agree with what Mike said, and
I would add: The Novus Ordo Mass
should not be confused with:
- its translation into English (which is horrendous) and
- its manner of celebration.
That said, not even the translation
and manner of celebration make it
invalid. They just make it aesthetically
unbearable and perhaps illegal (in
the case of celebrations that break
rules). Some aberrations and practices
do work to create a Protestant-like
atmosphere and understanding of the
Eucharist.
We needed to recover some
Protestant aspects of the Eucharist,
like the community aspect and the
memorial supper, without
losing the sense of holiness
and the reality of the Sacrifice.
The Novus Ordo Mass actually goes
back to the ancient tradition, if
you read a history of the Roman Rite.
Personally, I think the Novus Ordo
is just what we deserved. It was
a stripping of the garments of the
Church. It's a good Mass to take
into the new catacombs.
Mary Ann
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