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Robert Bloom wrote:

Hi, guys —

I have been debating a Jehovah Witness for years on many issues and have done fairly well up to a point. As you know, they have many unique beliefs including the 144,000 only in Heaven (which is already full according to them) and the rest of the righteous will live on a new earth where there will be no sin or pain or suffering. (No Catholics included.) These almost in Heaven people will work the land in peace in harmony according to His understanding.

God being God, knew Adam and Eve would sin so His plan for salvation existed before creation — my friend rejects this answer.

  • What if Adam and Eve had not sinned?
  • Would their time on earth have been limited?
  • How would it have played out?

Thanks,

Rob

  { If Adam and Eve had not sinned, would their time on earth been fixed, and how would it play out? }

Mike replied:

Hi Bob,

The best we can do is speculate.

In answering your question I've chosen paragraphs from the Catechism that I thought would be helpful:

In Brief

416 By his sin Adam, as the first man, lost the original holiness and justice he had received from God, not only for himself but for all human beings.

417 Adam and Eve transmitted to their descendants human nature wounded by their own first sin and hence deprived of original holiness and justice; this deprivation is called "original sin".

418 As a result of original sin, human nature is weakened in its powers, subject to ignorance, suffering and the domination of death, and inclined to sin (this inclination is called "concupiscence").


Scripture also tells us: After creating man and woman He blessed them and says:

"Be fertile and multiply; fill the earth and subdue it."

Genesis 1:28

You said:

  • What if Adam and Eve had not sinned?

I don't mean to sound inappropriate or crass, but the only thing I can deduce is that [sex| procreation] would have been far greater then it is now.

  • Why?

For two reasons:

  1. Because Adam and Eve would have been whole, complete people with original holiness and justice, and
  2. all men and women proceeding from their being fertile would see, with further revelation, the Trinitarian nature of being fertile and multiplying, instead of just seeing the other as a sex object to be used as this current sex-saturated culture does.
  • What do I mean by the Trinitarian nature of being fertile and multiplying?

    In the same way the Holy Spirit proceeds from the Father and the Son, so the children proceed from the love of the husband and his wife having been bonded for life in Holy Matrimony.

Adam and Eve were originally immaculate, just like Our Blessed Mother, and destined to be immaculate, when they were asked to: Be fertile and multiply.

You said:

  • Would their time on earth have been limited?

I know of no place in Scripture or Tradition that would support any such limitation. Since the domination of death was one of the results of original sin, I see no reason why they, and their offspring, would not have lived forever in God's friendship here on earth.

You said:

  • How would it have played out?

Again, we can only speculate on the what, why, and how of Our Lord's Plan.

That's the best the Church can do.

Hope it helps,

Mike

Richard replied:

I'm with you, Mike.

God has not revealed to us the answers to these questions, so the Catholic Church doesn't present any teaching on the subject.

Probably some Christian thinkers have proposed some theories about how the first man's and first woman's life might have proceeded had they not sinned and there are probably some erroneous ideas that we could rule out, based on existing revealed doctrine about God and man.

Ultimately, it's a speculation about an unreal scenario, not a teaching about the way God actually deals with us.

— RC

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