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Shawn
Hughes
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Hi, guys —
I'm a convert to the Roman Catholic Church
(RCC); I used to be Baptist. I'm struggling
to understanding certain teachings of the
Church especially some that are in the Catechism.
It's
not like I disagree with them. (Most of it
I do agree with it completely.) I just
don't understand certain portions.
- Is it a mortal sin to not agree with all
the teachings in the Catechism, not because you agree or disagree with them, but because you just
don't understand the way the Church views
the issue(s)?
Thanks!
Shawn
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Is
it a mortal sin if I agree with most of the
Catechism but don't understand parts of it? }
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Mary
Ann replied:
Not at all, Shawn.
We all grow in faith and understanding.
What you have done is accepted the
Church as Christ's Church, the one
you can trust. We don't have to,
and can't, understand everything
but we can trust that she will not
steer us wrong.
Mary Ann
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Paul
replied:
Hi, Shawn —
I would add that in the gospel of
John Jesus says simply,
If you love me you will keep my
commands.
John 14:15
He never said that we should keep
His commands only if we fully understand
them. The doctrines of the Church
are the truths of the gospel formulated
for our salvation.
Maybe you could give us specific
examples of which teachings you are having
trouble with.
Paul
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Shawn
replied:
Hi, Paul —
An example would be contraceptives.
For people in Africa . . . where the
HIV epidemic is out of control and
prayers don't seem to help, the Church
says, No. For that reason, I have
a hard time understanding her teachings
on this topic. The reason I asked my
original question is because even
God said, his thoughts and ways are
above our thoughts and ways to understand. (Isaiah 55:6-9)
In other words, its not like I disagree;
I just don't truly understand all
of Her teachings and explanations.
If I honestly understood them, then
things would be different but I'm
trying to understand these teachings
as a human being with a mere, finite
mind.
Thanks!
Shawn
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Paul
replied:
Shawn,
Your struggle is not uncommon and
your honesty and perseverance is
admirable. Remember that in the book
of Genesis Jacob wrestled with God
too (Genesis 32:22-32), and was rewarded for his perseverance.
It's easy to thumb your nose at God
and His divine will to seek one's
own pleasure, especially in a culture
like ours where so many others have
done so. Even without full understanding,
it is always good to trust Christ
through His Church.
There are two moral principles at
hand here.
- One is that one can never do evil
in order that good may come out of
it. St. Paul speaks of this in the
Bible and it is a solid Catholic
principle.
- The second is the principle of double-effect.
The use of condoms in these situations
does have two effects:
- it potentially blocks the spread
of disease, and
- it blocks the potentiality of
a conceived child.
For an act to
be moral it must meet two criteria:
- it can not be
evil itself, and
- the good effect
must outweigh the bad effect
Halting
the spread of a disease does not
outweigh negating the potential existence
of a child:
an effect which positively
negates the very purpose of sexual
intercourse, seriously violating
natural law.
As usual, the best answer for fighting
the spread of sexually transmitted
diseases is God's law — monogamy,
and celibacy until marriage.
Human life is sacred, and so is the
human life process of sexual relations.
If our parents used condoms the night
we were conceived, even if it was
for fear of spreading a disease,
we would not exist. No one should
block God's positive will in using
us, as He designed us, to create
other human beings.
Paul
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Shawn
replied:
Hi, Paul —
Thanks for the reply.
You said:
- The use of condoms in these situations
does have two effects:
- it potentially blocks the spread
of disease, and
- it blocks the potentiality of
a conceived child.
For an act to
be moral it must meet two criteria:
- it can not be
evil itself, and
- the good effect
must outweigh the bad effect
Halting
the spread of a disease does not
outweigh negating the potential existence
of a child:
an effect which positively
negates the very purpose of sexual
intercourse, seriously violating
natural law.
- How is one to honestly evaluate
the situation where it is statistically
known that two thirds of the population
has HIV and couples that do have
children usually are born with
it?
That is not natural by any law. Education
has failed; the one thing that is
natural is for people and species
to always have sex without marriage. This
is a perfect example of one of the
teachings
I disagree on.
You said:
Even without full understanding,
it is always good to trust Christ
through His Church.
I find this not to be 100% accurate
nor easy; any one using common sense
can understand my view.
- Example: As we progress as humans,
we grow from our past and learn from
it, correct?
Just like Galileo: he
was mocked but it took years for
the Church to give him a formal apology.
The Old Testament talks about men
able to have many wives, sex with
slaves, etc; though through time
we have evolved to the customs we
have today.
- I guess my overall point is since
God tells us that we do not understand
His ways and thoughts and even
the Church says Christ can
save whom ever He wants; it's
a mystery to himself and not us, How can we profess what is a mortal sin
or not?
My original question was regarding
the teachings of the Catechism of
the Catholic Church (CCC).
- How do I handle not understanding and
disagreeing with certain teachings
because my finite mind does not
comprehend the teachings or understand
the Church's view in its totality?
- Since I don't understand these
teachings with full knowledge,
what type of sin, if any, is this?
I know your answers are based on
personal knowledge and references,
and I appreciate what you do, but
I also know opinion plays some part
in what we all do, though we try
not to be biased.
Shawn
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Paul
replied:
Shawn:
- It is infinitely better to exist
with a disease than never to exist
at all.
- For humans who have a free will
and moral responsibility before
God, sex outside of marriage is
wrong. Seriously wrong.
- The two examples you give don't
prove your point that official
Church teachings might be wrong.
The New Covenant with Christ, fulfilled
the Old Covenant and the Mosaic law was replaced
by the law of the Gospel. With
Galileo, the problem was more
with prudence; the Church urged
caution and Galileo did not want
to proceed that slowly. In addition the
problem was within the scientific
realm, not religious. Whether
or not to use condoms in the act
of the two becoming one-flesh
is in the realm of religion, which
the Church has an obligation to
teach on because it is a matter
relating to our salvation.
- We may not understand the depths
of what God understands, but He
sent forth the
Holy Spirit on Pentecost to lead,
guide, and remind His Church of
all truths. The official teaching
of the Church is enlightened by
the Holy Spirit.
You said:
My original question
was regarding the teachings
of the Catechism of the Catholic
Church (CCC).
- How do I
handle not understanding
and disagreeing with certain
teachings because my finite
mind does not comprehend
the teachings or understand
the Church's view in its
totality?
- Since I don't
understand these teachings
with full knowledge,
what type of sin, if any, would this be considered?
Full knowledge regarding mortal
sin does not mean full understanding
of a Church teaching. It rather means full knowledge that something
you've done is wrong. We can have
full knowledge without a full understanding.
Faith replaces any missing understanding
at the time; faith that God's
Word (and Church teaching) is
true — despite any degree
of lack of human understanding
we may have.
Eventually we may understand it
more fully (as usually happens
with time), but until then,
the full knowledge we possess
comes through knowledge by faith,
faith in Christ:
If you love me you will keep
my commands. (John 14:15).
Full understanding of a teaching
is not necessary for obedience
through faith.
Paul
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Shawn
replied:
Hi, Paul —
You said:
It is infinitely
better to exist with a disease than
never to exist at all.
This makes no sense logically, because
no one would know if they existed,
if they were not born. In addition, some are born with defects and
diseases.
You said:
For humans who
have a free will and moral responsibility
before God, sex outside of marriage
is wrong. Seriously wrong.
- How is this wrong to those who
do not know God?
- You say it is wrong because you
have certain beliefs that you
say are universal but
they are not. You are simply
giving your opinion from a RCC
point of view. Other sects or
religions may not say this, why
speak with such certainty?
You said:
The two examples you give don't
prove your point that official
Church teachings might be wrong.
The New Covenant with Christ, fulfilled
the Old Covenant and the Mosaic law was replaced
by the law of the Gospel. With
Galileo, the problem was more
with prudence; the Church urged
caution and Galileo did not want
to proceed that slowly. In addition the
problem was within the scientific
realm, not religious. Whether
or not to use condoms in the act
of the two becoming one-flesh
is in the realm of religion, which
the Church has an obligation to
teach on because it is a matter
relating to our salvation.
The examples were just that. I'm
not saying it is wrong or that I
agree or disagree with everything
but the newer CCC appears to have many strong issues with it; specifically
with Traditionalists —
they think it
is too liberal.
Some traditionalist Catholics argue
that statements made in CCC conflict
with past Catholic teachings on many
topics, and claim it teaches:
- Gnosticism
- promotes the theory of evolution
- favors indifferentism (the belief
that religions are equal)
- ecumenism (cooperation with non-Catholic
Christians)
- secular collaboration and compromise
- homosexuality and internationalism.
- They maintain that, though theological
opinion was not intended to be a
part of CCC, it in fact does not
distinguish between matters of faith
and theological opinion. Since this
discrepancy is not made, how are
the teachings in the Catechism considered
sacred?
You said:
The official
teaching of the Church is enlightened
by the Holy Spirit.
- But if the Holy Spirit is never
changing, why does the RCC change
so often?
One can say that it doesn't change
its teachings or doctrines but improves them.
It sounds like a political statement,
kind of like a lawyer.
- As it relates to having a full knowledge of
committing a sin, I still do not
understand what you are trying to
say. In order for a sin to be mortal, one
needs to have full knowledge of it
and since one does not have full
knowledge, how is it a sin?
Thanks!
I'm not trying to be pushy;
I'm a Religious major and have studied
the religion throughout time and
the world in many cultures so I find
these questions educational.
Shawn
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Paul
replied:
Hi, Shawn —
You said:
This makes no
sense logically, because no one would
know if they existed, if they were
not born. In addition, some are born
with defects and diseases.
You are speaking purely subjectively.
You don't have to know or be aware
of something for it to be true or
false. It's an objective truth that
existing is better than not existing;
and existing with a disease might
mean some suffering or sacrifice
in this life with the potentiality
of eternal everlasting happiness
in the next. Non-existence obviously
has none of that potential.
You said:
- How is this wrong to those who
do not know God?
- You say it is wrong because you
have certain beliefs that you
say are universal but
they are not. You are simply
giving your opinion from a RCC
point of view. Other sects or
religions may not say this, why
speak with such certainty?
They are universally applicable,
even though not all people recognize
it. It's similar to saying eating
and breathing are universally applicable
even when babies aren't aware that
they're breathing.
Morality is not
as easy to see because original sin
has darkened our intellects, but
natural law, which is objective and
universally applicable to all humans
by virtue of us sharing a common
human nature, dictates that sex is
only for the monogamy of the marital
relationship after the consent of
total commitment is made. Without
first having that total and permanent
commitment sex becomes mutually agreed
to selfishness (and abuse).
You said:
The examples were just that. I'm
not saying it is wrong or that I
agree or disagree with everything
but the newer CCC appears to have many strong issues with it; specifically
with Traditionalists — they think it
is too liberal.
Some traditionalist Catholics argue
that statements made in CCC conflict
with past Catholic teachings on many
topics, and claim it teaches:
- Gnosticism
- promotes the theory of evolution
- favors indifferentism (the belief
that religions are equal)
- ecumenism (cooperation with non-Catholic
Christians)
- secular collaboration and compromise
- homosexuality and internationalism.
- They maintain that, though theological
opinion was not intended to be a
part of CCC, it in fact does not
distinguish between matters of faith
and theological opinion. Since this
discrepancy is not made, how are
the teachings in the Catechism considered
sacred?
Always beware of people on both
sides of the Magisterium — the
modernists and the traditionalists.
The official teaching of the Church
is enlightened by the Holy Spirit.
You said:
- But if the Holy Spirit is never
changing, why does the RCC change
so often?
One can say that it doesn't change
its teachings or doctrines but improves them. It sounds like a political statement,
kind of like a lawyer.
The Word of God does not change;
though man's understanding of it
may deepen. The Church teaches the
Word of God in Christ's name by the
power of the Spirit. On universal
matters of faith and morals she can't
be wrong; the Holy Spirit won't let
her. Customs, disciplines, and ways
to approach God in worship, etc.
can change because they are supposed
to. Tradition with a small t by its
very nature is meant to change with
time and culture. But not Tradition with a capital T, which includes
matters of faith and morals for the
whole Church. The Word of God comes
to us in Scripture and Tradition (capital T).
You said:
- As it relates to having a full knowledge of
committing a sin, I still do not
understand what you are trying to
say. In order for a sin to be mortal, one
needs to have full knowledge of it
and since one does not have full
knowledge, how is it a sin?
You seem to be using the term full
knowledge as meaning to understand
something fully.
I can have full knowledge that something
is wrong because Christ says so and/or because the Church by the authority
of Christ teaches it — even if I
don't understand the content of the
teaching fully with my own limited
power of understanding. I can still
fully know its wrong if
I have faith.
You said:
Thanks!
I'm not
trying to be pushy; I'm a Religious
major and have studied the religion
throughout time and the world in
many cultures so I find these questions
educational.
I agree and I don't find you pushy
at all. You remind me of myself in
your relentless desire to understand.
Don't let people stifle that. On
the other hand, know that faith can
and should complement understanding
until our intellects are enlightened
enough to see for ourselves.
Continue to pray for grace that enables
us to have that spiritual sight.
Paul
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Mary
Ann replied:
Shawn,
The record in Africa shows that only
in countries that teach abstinence
has the HIV AIDS epidemic been stymied.
Condoms paradoxically increase the
spread of STDs because they increase
sex,
and they are not reliable.
The problem in Africa is promiscuity
and infidelity.
I can refer you to www.hli.org on
this issue.
Mary Ann
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Eric
replied:
Shawn,
If it helps, Uganda instituted a
policy of promoting abstinence and
was much more successful than other
African countries that relied on
promoting contraception alone. Ninety-three
percent of their population changed
their behavior as a result of their
campaign. Many countries where they
have promoted contraception very
heavily, have only seen the problem
increase. In stark contrast to Uganda,
the countries with the highest rate
of condom availability still have
the world's highest AIDS rates — Zimbabwe,
Botswana, South Africa and Kenya.
- In Botswana, HIV prevalence among
pregnant urban women rose from 27
percent to a staggering 45 percent
from 1993 to 2001 as condoms sales
tripled.
- In Cameroon, adult HIV prevalence
rose from 3 percent to 9 percent
as condom sales rose from six million
to 15 million during the same period.
There are several reasons for this.
Condoms break down quickly in heat,
and as you know these places are
very hot. They must be used properly;
there is a ten- to sixteen-step procedure
for using them. They break and slip,
too. A series of studies showed that
they fail 8% of the time. Over ten years, the probability of pregnancy
for a woman whose partner always
uses condoms is 80%. Think of the
chances of infection for someone
whose spouse or partner is HIV-positive.
Condoms give a false sense of security.
People think that if they use them
they can have more and riskier sex.
But with all the other factors — heat
degradation, misuse, failure, and
so forth — they end up more
infected than they would have been
had they feared HIV. Promoting condoms
promotes a culture of infidelity
and risky sex.
Also, the conditions make it difficult
to change behavior. What happens
is that husbands have to leave their
wives for extended periods of time
to work elsewhere, and they end up
being unfaithful.
Dr. Michael Gottlieb, the scientist
who made the original report to the
Centers for Disease Control on gay-related
immune deficiency (GRID), which was
later relabeled AIDS, said,
"There is no such thing as
safe sex for someone contemplating
sex with an
HIV-positive person."
Dr. Helen Singer-Kaplan, founder
of the Human Sexuality Program at
the New York Weill Cornell Medical
Center, Cornell University says,
"Counting on condoms is flirting
with death."
One study concluded,
"Condoms failed to prevent
HIV transmission in three of 18
couples, suggesting that the rate
of condom failure with HIV may
be as high as 17%."
(James J. Goedert, M.D. "What
is Safe Sex?" New England
Journal of Medicine, October 21,
1987, page 1,340.)
The bottom line: Condoms are not a safe
way to prevent HIV transmission,
nor an effective way to reduce HIV
epidemics. As the Ugandan experience
showed, abstinence or fidelity to
a single partner is the key.
Here is a booklet and PDF article that may help:
Eric
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