Gary
Harmon
wrote:
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Hi, guys —
I'm 59-years-old and have been a good person
as far as how I treat others but in my own
life I've done my fair share of pleasing myself
over the years with:
- drinking
- other women
- etc.
Now that I have less years ahead of me than
behind me, I'm really thinking about where
I'll end up when I die.
- Is it possible to stop doing these things,
and
- If so, how?
I'm not a Catholic, but I know that the Catholic
religion has been around for a very long time,
so I'm hoping you can give me an answer to
the above questions.
- Also, what is Purgatory?
- Is it better than Hell?
Thank you in advance,
Gary H.
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At my age, could I stop these habits and, if so, how and what's Purgatory; is it better than Hell? }
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Mike
replied:
Hi, Gary —
I'm glad your wrote us!
Temptations and habits like the ones
you have, can be hard to overcome.
Nevertheless, the sacramental life
of the Church can be a big help.
We don't convert people on this site,
but we give them information
to help them decide whether joining
the Church would be an advantage
to them.
We strongly believe it would be.
Because Jesus founded the Catholic Church, and only
this Church on St. Peter and his
successors. (Matthew 16:13-19; 1 Timothy 3:15)
If you wish to go deeper, consider buying a cheap copy of the Catechism of the Catholic Church to learn everything we believe as Catholics.
The good news: By living the sacramental
life of the Church and having a healthy prayer life, these
things can
be overcome.
Hope this helps,
Mike
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Eric
replied:
Gary,
Thanks for writing us! Clearly the
work of grace is already going on
in your life as the Lord calls you
to Himself.
The key to salvation is given to
us in the book of Acts,
chapter 2, verse 38:
38 Peter said to them, "Repent,
and each of you be baptized in
the name of Jesus Christ for the
forgiveness of your sins; and
you will receive the gift of the
Holy Spirit."
(Acts 2:38)
Now repentance means a wholescale
turning away from sin and what displeases
God, and an embrace of Christ as
Lord and Savior. It is also a continuous
thing, not a one-time thing, so we
must not only repent of what we have
done now, but avoid it and other
sins in the future.
The Lord offers us the grace to do
this. ("Grace" is the divine
life of God, which is a pure gift
that transforms us to be like God
and enables us to do things, chiefly
things that please God, though without
grace we wouldn't even be able to
exist.) All we need to do is ask
Him. We may receive it in stages,
it may entail some struggle and certainly
cooperation on our parts, but the
Lord is faithful. Our job is to receive
and cooperate with (or correspond
with) God's grace, and persevere
to the end in deliberately avoiding
[all, but at least serious] sin.
We, as Catholics, believe that, as
testified in the Scriptures, Christ
has left us what we call sacraments as sure means of receiving grace.
In Baptism, we receive the grace
of being regenerated — born
again — and made into
friends of God, objectively pleasing
in his sight, as all our sins are washed
away. In the Eucharist, we become
partakers of the divine nature (2
Peter 1:4), partake of the
tree of life, and become one flesh,
one blood with God. We believe that
in the Eucharist we receive the very
flesh and blood of Christ our God
in a sacramental way, the true source
of all grace.
We also believe that we have the
right interpretation of the divine
Scriptures so that:
- we can discern what is good
and pleasing to God
- how to behave
- what is good to do, and
- what is harmful, in our spiritual
lives, to do.
This is because we can trace our
beliefs (and ministers) back to the
Apostles, whom we believe received
the truth from Christ. As you say,
we've been around for a long
time — since the days
of Christ.
If you look at Christianity, you
can divide it into two segments:
- The Protestant churches, and
- the Apostolic churches
(This is somewhat oversimplifying
but bear with me.)
The former are rooted in the protests
(hence Protestant) of
Martin Luther, and constitute most
of the non-Catholic Christians in
the western world.
The latter are comprised by the Catholic
Church, a couple of small churches
that are in schism with the Catholic
Church, and an array of Eastern Churches,
such as:
- the Eastern Orthodox
- the
Oriental Orthodox
- the Armenian Apostolic,
and
- the Assyrian Church of the East.
The Eastern Churches are rooted in
communities that were established,
in many cases, by the Apostles, or at
least very, very early, all over
the world: India, Alexandria, Armenia,
Iraq, etc. yet despite their diversity,
their far-flung locations, their
long separation, all the Apostolic
churches testify to a very similar
faith, in sharp contrast to the Protestant
churches, which immediately started
to splinter into radically different
forms.
So look at it this way: The oldest
churches, sprawled over the world
since a time when communication was
quite limited, harmoniously testify
to a very similar faith, whereas
the Protestant churches, often within
the same country, testify to wildly
contradictory and remarkably different
creeds.
It is not my job to convert, but
you had mentioned in your question
this factor of the age of the Catholic
Church, and I agree that it is a
relevant one.
You also asked about Purgatory. Purgatory
is what we call the purification (which
may be a place, or may merely be
a state, which may last for a period
of time, or may be perceived instantaneously) of
those who have died in God's friendship (that
is, those who know and have chosen
God) but who need cleansing from
their attachment to sin or other
temporal effects of sin. (Revelation 21:27) Every sin
has two components:
- An eternal component
— one's relationship with
God — and
- a temporal one, the damage that
was done.
For example, if your son puts a baseball
through the neighbor's window, there
are two components that need to be
addressed:
- Repairing the relationship with
the neighbor, and
- repairing the damage that was
done to the window.
The first is like the eternal punishment,
the second like the temporal punishment.
When King David committed adultery,
the Lord forgave his sin, but still David's
child had to die as a consequence.
Purgatory is, in effect, where the
just are perfected and made entirely
holy before entering Heaven. It is
entirely different from the sufferings
of Hell.
So, to sum up, you must be a follower
of God, in at least some way, to
qualify for Purgatory. Purgatory
is the antechamber of Heaven; no
one unworthy of Heaven goes to Purgatory; it is not a second chance.
This may be good news for you: We
believe that when you are baptized,
all the effects of sin are remitted,
so you get a totally clean slate
when you are baptized. However, we
have a generous definition of Baptism,
so if you were baptized in virtually
any Christian church as an infant
or later, you will have to work through
those effects of sin.
Also try doing a search on our site
for Purgatory.
So I encourage you to establish a
relationship with the Lord and pray
for the:
- gift of repentance from sin
- gift of faith, and
- grace of God.
I encourage you to look into Baptism.
In the Catholic Church, this starts
with a program called the Rite of
Christian Initiation of Adults (RCIA).
Your local Catholic priest can speak
to you about the process. There is
no obligation to be baptized or join
if you go. You can just learn.
Hope this helps!
Eric
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Gary
replied:
Hi, guys—
Thank you so much for taking the
time to answer my questions.
- Purgatory sounds OK to me if
it's not like Hell, but how do
I know if I'm following God, as
you put it, in at least
some way to qualify for
Purgatory?
You also mentioned that I must deliberately
avoid at least serious sin.
- Is this up to me to decide which
sins are serious and
which ones are not?
I have spent the majority of my life
trying to please myself with many vices.
- Do I have to give them all up
to qualify for Purgatory, and
if not, which one's can I still
do?
I know many Catholics and they don't
seem to live any differently than
I do. We have partied together, cursed
together, etc., and most don't even
go to Church; at least on a regular
basis.
- Are you saying that they qualify
for Purgatory in spite of their
actions because they were baptized?
- Also, I'm not sure if you meant
that I would have to be baptized in a Catholic church
or not. As far as this grace from
God goes, if it transforms us
to be like God, then why do most
Catholics not stand out as being God-like?
As I said, the ones I have known
(my peers) don't exhibit any different
behavior than I do. This grace doesn't
seem to do anything to them.
- Why then should I expect this
grace to change my behaviors?
Perhaps I'd better get a Bible and
make myself read what it says about
these things. I can check out your
website on Purgatory, and then read about
it in the bible.
- Can you direct me to the appropriate
sections?
Thanks again for your time!
Gary
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Eric
replied:
Hi, Gary —
You said:
Thank you so much for taking the
time to answer my questions.
- Purgatory sounds OK to me if
it's not like Hell, but how do
I know if I'm following God, as
you put it, in at least
some way to qualify for
Purgatory?
You also mentioned that I must deliberately
avoid at least serious sin.
- Is this up to me to decide which
sins are serious and
which ones are not?
Yes; you look at what the Catholic
Church teaches as a guide. The faith
was once for all entrusted to the
saints (Jude 3). "The Church is called
the pillar and foundation of the
truth"
(1 Timothy 3:15). Jesus said to the
Apostles (on whom the Church is based),
16 He who listens to you, listens
to me; he who rejects you, rejects
me, and he who rejects me, rejects
Him who sent me. (Luke
10:16)
Jesus promised of the Church,
13 But when he, the Spirit
of Truth, comes, he will guide
you into all truth;
(John 16:13)
and
26 But the Counselor, the Holy
Spirit, whom the Father will send
in my name, will teach you all
things and will remind you of
everything I have said to you.
(John 14:26).
Finally, it is written,
15 Hold fast to the traditions
which you received, whether by
word of mouth or by letter.
(2
Thessalonians 2:15).
So it's important to listen to the
Church, our Mother (Galatians 4:26).
So we know that premarital sex is
wrong, that masturbation is wrong,
that contraception is wrong, because
of the constant testimony of our
Church.
You said:
I have spent the majority of my life
trying to please myself with many vices.
- Do I have to give them all up
to qualify for Purgatory, and
if not, which one's can I still
do?
Well, not to side-step your question,
but God wants all of us, every part.
This is not to say that we are obliged,
strictly speaking, to become monks,
but what it means is that we must
surrender our wills entirely to God
and be willing to give up everything,
even if God isn't demanding that
we do.
26 'If anyone comes to Me, and
does not hate his own father and
mother and wife and children and
brothers and sisters, yes, and
even his own life, he cannot be
My disciple.'
(Luke 14:26)
It's not a matter of what's
the minimum I can get away with and
still squeak into Purgatory it
is, I am Yours, Lord, totally
and completely; I will do whatever
You ask and I surrender utterly everything
to You. Once you establish
that kind of relationship with the
Lord, and entrust yourself to Him
unconditionally, (not I
will follow you if I can continue
to do X), can you sit down
and sort out what is moral and what
is not.
First determine if the Catholic
Church is a truth-telling thing;
if it is, accept Her. Don't figure
out if she is true by comparing what
she teaches to what you think is
true, otherwise you are making yourself
the source of truth (which you aren't).
In any case, what She teaches is in
the Catechism Mike referred to.
You said:
I know many Catholics and they don't
seem to live any differently than
I do. We have partied together, cursed
together, etc., and most don't even
go to Church; at least on a regular
basis.
- Are you saying that they qualify
for Purgatory in spite of their
actions because they were baptized?
- Also, I'm not sure if you meant
that I would have to be baptized in a Catholic church
or not. As far as this grace from
God goes, if it transforms us
to be like God, then why do most
Catholics not stand out as being God-like?
Ha, that is an excellent and very
perceptive question!
Membership in the Catholic Church
or even reception of the sacraments
doesn't guarantee one's salvation.
The vast majority of Catholics are
admittedly an embarrassment and scandal
to the faith. We have this principle,
though, that people receive the grace
of God from the sacraments to the
extent they are properly disposed.
If you go through the motions every
week, don't pay attention in Mass,
go out of compulsion, and receive
the Eucharist out of habit because
the guy next to you is going up and
gee, this is what we've always done,
you're not going to benefit much
from Mass.
If you go with a conscious awareness
that you are participating in the
Heavenly liturgy, with myriads of
angels and saints in festal gathering,
out of a fervent love for God and
a deep desire to thank him (Eucharist
means thanksgiving) and offer
yourself as a living sacrifice (Romans
12:1), with a realization that the
sacrifice of Calvary is being present
and given to us to eat so our sins
may be forgiven and we may be divinized,
knowing that we are eating from the
Tree of Life and having our lips
cleansed with a coal from the altar
in Heaven like Isaiah 6:6, cognizant
that this is the new Manna from Heaven
(John 6:31,49), the bread of angels
and the cup of salvation (Psalm 116:13),
aware that what you receive is the
most holy object that has ever been
present on the face of this Earth
which will enter your body and be
suffused throughout all your members,
and you open your heart as wide as
you can with all your strength to
receive God's flood of graces, the
result will be much different.
There is a saying, judge a medicine
by those who take it, not by those
who don't take it. Forget about Catholics
who don't go to church. Don't even
pay much attention to those who do
receive but aren't properly disposed.
Look at those who truly live the
life of faith. Look at the saints.
In the Catholic saints, you will
see incredible examples of people
overflowing with holiness such as
you've never seen before.
My suggestion is you try to find
people in your life whose lives were
in fact changed by grace.
I know my life has been changed.
You said:
As I said, the ones I have known
(my peers) don't exhibit any different
behavior than I do. This grace doesn't
seem to do anything to them.
- Why then should I expect this
grace to change my behaviors?
Perhaps I'd better get a Bible and
make myself read what it says about
these things. I can check out your
website on Purgatory, and then read about
it in the bible.
- Can you direct me to the appropriate
sections?
Here are a few postings:
Eric
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